Thanks Facist Pigs!

I don't know about elsewhere, but here the situation is dramatic for non-smokers. Especially since most clubs that interest me are rather small. I have greatly reduced visits to such places because it's disgusting. There is some ridiculous law about separate areas for non-smokers which of course is moot in small clubs. I don't think there is a single place where I can go and listen to live music without smelling terribly afterwards. The situation is so dramatic that even smokers are greatly annoyed by this. As it is, you know that you'll go to a bar/club for 3-4 hours and when you leave you'll be feeling like you need 2 days off work to recover.
 
How bout I come into your house, eat all your food and pee on your carpet?

Will you get over that?

Did you pay for this bar?

No?

Then go lick a wallsocket

I wont pee on your rug, you dont pee on my rights, ok?

Perfect example for all the bellyaching the left does about the right taking thier freedoms, yet its always the lefty nazi fascists who take away day to day freedoms
 
Katana said:
Why you need laws to ban smoking in bars has always been beyond me. If there's a market force in favor of it, then bars would do it. Why can't it just be left up to the establishment? It makes me uncomfortable to have the government intruding on things like this.
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Markets fail when they create externalities because the parties can shove their costs onto others without compensating them. That's why governments intervene. This does not mean they have to ban it outright—they do that because it has increasing popular support with electorates.

I don't like going to certain bars only to leave smelling like a$$, but it's ultimately up to me whether I want to patronize them or not.
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Very generous of you. But for this to be a fair transaction you should be entitled to seek compensation for the health risk (such as cheaper booze—ha ha!)

Renfield said:
This is one area where I agree with the libertarians. If you don't like smoke, stay out of bars that allow it. Government should stay out of this. But because most people these days don't smoke, they have no problem telling bar owners and their customers how to live.
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If most people don't smoke I have no problem with their governments legislating against smoking.

Kopji said:
There is a certain consistency to this: The majority punishing minorities they don't like with funky laws.
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Democracy?

What about a cigarette smoke emissions trading system?
 
pipelineaudio said:
How bout I come into your house, eat all your food and pee on your carpet?
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The moment you step into my house I'll beat the crap out of you and I'll be fully covered by law. You can't do the same when someone (smoker or non-smoker) enters a bar.
 
I actually was told the New Zealand ban had one unintended consequence. A lot of nightclubbers stopped going not so long after smoking was banned because human sweat smelled a lot worse than the cigarette smoke which was previously hiding that scent.
 
EvilSmurf said:
I actually was told the New Zealand ban had one unintended consequence. A lot of nightclubbers stopped going not so long after smoking was banned because human sweat smelled a lot worse than the cigarette smoke which was previously hiding that scent.
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I keep hearing that rumour about Norwegian clubs and bars too, but apart from one relatively seedy pub that discovered they had a problem with fungus in the walls, I've never actually experienced that stench.

When is somebody gonna bring up safety regulations for bar-workers? It always comes up in these discussions.
 
PogoPedant said:
When is somebody gonna bring up safety regulations for bar-workers? It always comes up in these discussions.
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I'll bite there. Bar workers should be protected from the risks of serving people who have foul body-odour stench. The long term health effects are unknown.
 
It's so nice when you can blame all your problems on the government, isn't it? You don't have to take personal responsibility for the success or failure of your own business, or work around your problems like everybody else has to. You can just go online and complain about how the evil government adds difficulty to your life instead of thinking of other ways to attract business. The situation in this country is truly awful, when it requires hard work and imagination to run a successful business, and you can barely take twenty or thirty hours a week to complain about things online to total strangers.
 
bunch of hypocrites and dictators

but sure youll all have your hands out for my money when you need to pay for all the illegal aliens you keep sucking up to

fine

we will all go private and you can all go suck wind
 
Isn't it terrible when people tell us how to live our lives?

I mean, I bought a Mazda 6 that is capable of 160 mph, but the fascist pigs only allow me to drive it at 30 mph in towns and cities; the fastest I'm ever allowed to drive it is a pathetic 70 mph. This sucks big time. I mean, these fascists are just plain mean: if people don't like us fast drivers, then they should neither drive on the roads nor cross them as we speed through. Health and safety be damned! If I get caught going any faster, I'll be given a fine and possibly even lose my licence! Gaargh! What's this world coming to? I mean, I pay £20,000 for a car, and some jumped up little nobody wants to tell me how to drive it. I'm going nuts over this!!!

And you'll never guess what else: people dare to actually cross these roads I want to drive on! How dare they: roads is roads! They ain't paths, they have paths for people to walk on! Why do they insist on setting foot on my goddam road???!!! I even pay taxes for this road, so it's mine!!! The fascist pigs have even installed devices that can make my car stop if somebody wants to cross MY road. It makes me want to puke. Look, if somebody is dumb enough to set foot on MY road and they get hit by an innocent driver trying to enjoy himself by racing around Ayrton Senna style, then it's their stupid fault! Just like it's the stupid fault of non-smokers who breathe in MY smoke when I'm enjoying MY cigarettes in MY bar. Pah! I mean, those bar staff who don't smoke don't have to work there, do they? They can go on welfare and make just as much money! Maybe we should get some illegal immigrants in to work in these bars, then everyone will be happy!
 
It is indeed a worrying statement about the modern political system. To the best of my knowledge, Mussolini, Hitler, Franco, Perón, Salazar et al. all allowed smoking in public. Today's governments must be worse.
 
TragicMonkey said:
It's so nice when you can blame all your problems on the government, isn't it? You don't have to take personal responsibility for the success or failure of your own business, or work around your problems like everybody else has to. You can just go online and complain about how the evil government adds difficulty to your life instead of thinking of other ways to attract business.
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That's brilliant.
Libertarians never fail, they're just taken down by the guberment.
 
simonmaal said:
Isn't it terrible when people tell us how to live our lives?

I mean, I bought a Mazda 6 that is capable of 160 mph, but the fascist pigs only allow me to drive it at 30 mph in towns and cities; the fastest I'm ever allowed to drive it is a pathetic 70 mph. This sucks big time. I mean, these fascists are just plain mean: if people don't like us fast drivers, then they should neither drive on the roads nor cross them as we speed through. Health and safety be damned! If I get caught going any faster, I'll be given a fine and possibly even lose my licence! Gaargh! What's this world coming to? I mean, I pay £20,000 for a car, and some jumped up little nobody wants to tell me how to drive it. I'm going nuts over this!!!

And you'll never guess what else: people dare to actually cross these roads I want to drive on! How dare they: roads is roads! They ain't paths, they have paths for people to walk on! Why do they insist on setting foot on my goddam road???!!! I even pay taxes for this road, so it's mine!!! The fascist pigs have even installed devices that can make my car stop if somebody wants to cross MY road. It makes me want to puke. Look, if somebody is dumb enough to set foot on MY road and they get hit by an innocent driver trying to enjoy himself by racing around Ayrton Senna style, then it's their stupid fault! Just like it's the stupid fault of non-smokers who breathe in MY smoke when I'm enjoying MY cigarettes in MY bar. Pah! I mean, those bar staff who don't smoke don't have to work there, do they? They can go on welfare and make just as much money! Maybe we should get some illegal immigrants in to work in these bars, then everyone will be happy!
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That's total BS.

No Mazda 6 can go 160 mph. The fascist car companies just put those extra numbers on the speedometer to take away your freedom.

(And if you're in England, shouldn't the fascist government have made you turn in your miles for kilometres by now?)
 
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Tricky said:
That's total BS.

No Mazda 6 can go 160 mph. The fascist car companies just put those extra numbers on the speedometer to take away your freedom.
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Hehe. It's all a conspiracy by the 'left'. Those extra numbers cause my speedometer to stay away from the right, thus causing a leftist bias :D It's the fault of those pesky immigrants; we never had any false speedometers before they arrived.

(And if you're in England, shouldn't the fascist government have made you turn in your miles for kilometres by now?)
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They're already on the clock! Again, these damn immigrants bringing their dumb-ass ideas into our country. It would never have happened in Churchill's day :eye-poppi
 
The commie lefties forcibly prevent me driving on the right by insisting on hurtling the other way in a threatenlingly oncoming manner.
 
acuity said:
The commie lefties forcibly prevent me driving on the right by insisting on hurtling the other way in a threatenlingly oncoming manner.
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Technically, you could drive on the right if you chose (at least until you were arrested), but it would be bloody near impossible for you to sit on the left side of your car while driving. In America, the situation is reversed. Duelling fascists.
 
I thoroughly object to having to "earn" such a right. Earning is for reward. The right to blast up the right lane must be a given. I am wilfully deprived of a vehicle that will vaporise oncoming traffic and police whilst doing this.
 
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