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Thank You Rumsfeld

Shane Costello said:
Originally posted by ZeeGerman:


"Keep up the good work" is a message we could send to Herr Schroeder and Msr. Chirac. Herr Schroeders work consists of presiding over a crumbling economy. Understandably his priority is to sue as many people as possible for speculating about his private life and even more critically whether he dyes his hair.
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compared to the US, where the economy is just going ahead at full steam .... not.

The crumbling european socialist big government economies is the standard comeback. Only they are still there, and having no more problems than the US.
 
Originallyu posted by a_unique_person:

The crumbling european socialist big government economies is the standard comeback. Only they are still there, and having no more problems than the US
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So you don't consider the fact that growth rates in Europe are near zero while those in America are at 2.5% per annum indicative of anything?

What about the fact that German and French unemployment is about twice that of the US or UK?

What about the fact that Germany is facing it's worst economic crisis in 50 years, with many businesses giving serious consideration to leaving the country altogether?
 
a_unique_person said:


compared to the US, where the economy is just going ahead at full steam .... not.

The crumbling european socialist big government economies is the standard comeback. Only they are still there, and having no more problems than the US.
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You know what is ironic, Adolf Hitler wanted to unify Europe into one mass-socialist mob, and it has happened. Hitler would be so proud. Also, another irony, the Euro is centralized where--gosh--Germany! Again, Hitler would be so proud!

Show me one socialist state that "grows" wealth. Socialist states steal wealth from the citizen. That is what socialism does. You all should have looked at Spain before becoming socialists.

JK
 
a_unique_person said:


compared to the US, where the economy is just going ahead at full steam .... not.

The crumbling european socialist big government economies is the standard comeback. Only they are still there, and having no more problems than the US.
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Except a LOT more unemployed people.
 
ZeeGerman said:
Please provide some evidence for the claim that German engineers built MOST of Saddam's bunkers, I doubt it. Anyway, there have been some transfers of technology that might be used for WMD from Germany to Iraq. BUT these transfers were commited illegally by some German companies and have been dealt with in court accordingly. The military support Saddam got from the US on the other hand was the official line of US policy and I think that's in a completely different ball park.
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As a point of interest. Germany was Iraq's largest trading partner immediately prior to the GW part 1.

While I would be horrified to find JK agree with anyhthing I said, this fact does tend to put German claims about US motivations over Iraq into a slightly different context.
 
Drooper said:


As a point of interest. Germany was Iraq's largest trading partner immediately prior to the GW part 1.

While I would be horrified to find JK agree with anyhthing I said, this fact does tend to put German claims about US motivations over Iraq into a slightly different context.
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Now, what exactly are you insinuating? That the German government is afraid that some evidence of support for Saddams WMD program provided by German companies more than 10 years ago might show up now? And you base that imputation on the fact that Germany did more trading with Iraq than any other country? So what? Was the trading illegal? No. We have been and still are the largest trading partner to many countries.

Really, the implication coming from JK should be sufficient for any halfway intelligent person to recognize it as utter ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊.

:(

Zee
 
ZeeGerman said:
Really, the implication coming from JK should be sufficient for any halfway intelligent person to recognize it as utter ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊.

:(

Zee
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Zee, the United States leaked the fact that we assisted Saddam with weapons of mass destruction to be used against the Iranians so that it could cushion the knowledge that Germany, France and other countries also did it. We said we would take the political hit for it and we did.

Almost every multi-level bunker in Iraq that the United States and coalition forces destroyed in the first gulf war was built and/or designed by German engineers.

But alas, your government and France, etc, helped Saddam after the 1991 war, against UN resolutions. Don't let it bother you though, we still like you. Just make sure you show up for the Persian Gulf War II in support. (No more peacenik BS).

JK
 
Jedi Knight said:


Zee, the United States leaked the fact that we assisted Saddam with weapons of mass destruction to be used against the Iranians so that it could cushion the knowledge that Germany, France and other countries also did it. We said we would take the political hit for it and we did.
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I am moved to tears about this selfless taking the blame.. (sniff) You are so good (double sniff)...
Care to provide some evidence?

Almost every multi-level bunker in Iraq that the United States and coalition forces destroyed in the first gulf war was built and/or designed by German engineers.
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You said that already. I asked for evidence to support that claim. Still waiting... Besides, a bunker seems to be a highly defensive installation so what exactly is your point here anyway?

But alas, your government and France, etc, helped Saddam after the 1991 war, against UN resolutions.
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I already stated that there have been trades by German companies in breach with the UN resolutions. Nothing new here. But that they were backed by the our government is simply a lie.

Don't let it bother you though, we still like you.
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Don't worry JK, you are far too low in the food chain to bother me
:D

Zee
 
ZeeGerman said:


Now, what exactly are you insinuating? That the German government is afraid that some evidence of support for Saddams WMD program provided by German companies more than 10 years ago might show up now? And you base that imputation on the fact that Germany did more trading with Iraq than any other country? So what? Was the trading illegal? No. We have been and still are the largest trading partner to many countries.

Really, the implication coming from JK should be sufficient for any halfway intelligent person to recognize it as utter ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊.

:(

Zee
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This has nothing to do with anything coming from JK.

This has to do with the French and German claims of taking the moral high ground onn this issue.

I contend that both these countries have geopolitical interests and objectives in Iraq that are motivating their policy and actions.

I could go a bit further and suggest that the issue of domestic policy motivation is there as well (i.e. playing to the home crowd) In Germany, Schroder/Fischler electioneering to extremely anti war electorate, Bush/Rumsfeld playing the domestic US anti terror vote.
 
ZeeGerman said:
Don't worry JK, you are far too low in the food chain to bother me
:D

Zee
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I hear that. I won't even go into how France helped Saddam. But maybe your governments are worried and that is why they cowered behind Saddam, huh.

JK
 
Jedi Knight said:


I hear that. I won't even go into how France helped Saddam. But maybe your governments are worried and that is why they cowered behind Saddam, huh.

JK
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Dang! Now you got me. I admit it. We are secretly trying to buy WMD from Saddam so we can finally bomb out the remainder of the imperialistic US forces who still occupie my beloved country out for good. Man how I hate it when they move their sluggish Hummers on our super fast Autobahnen and slow down traffic for miles.

:D Zee
 
ZeeGerman said:


Dang! Now you got me. I admit it. We are secretly trying to buy WMD from Saddam so we can finally bomb out the remainder of the imperialistic US forces who still occupie my beloved country out for good. Man how I hate it when they move their sluggish Hummers on our super fast Autobahnen and slow down traffic for miles.

:D Zee
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At least they aren't peeing in your swimbot, mein herr.

JK
 
Jedi Knight said:


Schwimm-Bot. You know, where the frau's hang out half-naked.

JK
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This gets more and more bizarre... Half naked women hanging out of boats :confused:
Either you are the victim of a wet dream or I have missed one of the greatest attractions my country has to offer, in which case I'd like to ask you for more details :D

Zee
 
ZeeGerman said:


This gets more and more bizarre... Half naked women hanging out of boats :confused:
Either you are the victim of a wet dream or I have missed one of the greatest attractions my country has to offer, in which case I'd like to ask you for more details :D

Zee
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I'm guessing he means Schwimmbad...
 
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