Thank God for Evil.

Greatest I am said:


Without the knowledge of good and evil, you would not know what to put on your list or that you even had to make one.
Thanks for proving my point.

Regards
DL

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Greatest I am, I am perplexed that you think my list enforces your belief.

Certainly there were some lessons learned from each event, however, if you wish to prove that evil is something useful in terms of growth, you need to show where we would be without it, and how our world would be less knowledgable or understanding.

I don't see that, I see many mistakes that could have been avoided, and better choices that could have been made. In that sense, your "evil" cheapened our learning experience and directly got in the way of our best growth.
 
ImaginalDisc said:
Please define this word "good" and that other one, "evil." Then, show how that are inextricably linked to all issues and without understanding them, nothing can learned, because I've seen quite a few babies learn to walk and speak without knowing good or evil.
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The dictionary definition will do.
As to walking. For a baby to walk is good. For a baby that should walk and does not is bad or evil.

Regards
DL
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Greatest I am said:
It [sex] just happens to have both aspects. Sometimes good and sometimes better and sometimes bad.
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I agree with "good" and "better", but "bad"?! You'll have to PM me some "bad sex" stories. I've never heard of such a thing. :)
 
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Greatest I am said:


The dictionary definition will do.
As to walking. For a baby to walk is good. For a baby that should walk and does not is bad or evil.

Regards
DL
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Which dictionary, which definition? There are numerous, irreconcilable, definitions of good and to prevent you from equivocating wildly, I'd like it if you defined the terms for the purposes of this disucussion.
 
Wings said:
Greatest I am, I am perplexed that you think my list enforces your belief.

Certainly there were some lessons learned from each event, however, if you wish to prove that evil is something useful in terms of growth, you need to show where we would be without it, and how our world would be less knowledgeable or understanding.

I don't see that, I see many mistakes that could have been avoided, and better choices that could have been made. In that sense, your "evil" cheapened our learning experience and directly got in the way of our best growth.
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You say that better choices could have been made and you may be right but without the knowledge of good and evil those better choices could not be made.
If good and evil stand at both ends of the bell curve of the thing or issue that you are referring to then the direction of the better way needs to identify where it is in relation to the bell curve.
With an example from you I may be able to explain more clearly.

Regards
DL
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Is the knowledge gained from "evil" necessary to optimum growth? If so, how?
Is the "evil" choices ever better in the long run for humanity? If so, how?
 
triadboy said:
I agree with "good" and "better", but "bad"?! You'll have to PM me some "bad sex" stories. I've never heard of such a thing. :)
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No pm required.

I was drunk once and all the liquor went to my other head.
This evil thing of course never happens to my friends.

Regards
DL
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triadboy said:
I agree with "good" and "better", but "bad"?! You'll have to PM me some "bad sex" stories. I've never heard of such a thing. :)
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Sex is like pizza: even when it's bad, it's still pretty good.
 
ImaginalDisc said:
Which dictionary, which definition? There are numerous, irreconcilable, definitions of good and to prevent you from equivocating wildly, I'd like it if you defined the terms for the purposes of this disucussion.
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Good is desirable.
Evil is not.

I cannot deal with it more generally but if you want to name an issue I will try to give you an example.


Regards
DL
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Wings said:
Is the knowledge gained from "evil" necessary to optimum growth? If so, how?

GIA wrote
Evil as a noun does not stand well alone.
I would think that knowledge of what not to do would be necessary for any growth.

Is the "evil" choices ever better in the long run for humanity? If so, how?
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I would think not unless that knowledge produces a new movie and brings you millions.

Regards
DL
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Greatest I am said:

Good is desirable.
Evil is not.​
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If good is wat is desireable, and evil is what is not, than your earlier statement, that without knowledge of good and evil, there would only be instinct, is false. Insctintive responses in animals focus on what is desireable, survival, mates, resources, and avoiding what is not, pain, hunger, discomfort.​
 
ImaginalDisc said:
If good is wat is desireable, and evil is what is not, than your earlier statement, that without knowledge of good and evil, there would only be instinct, is false. Insctintive responses in animals focus on what is desireable, survival, mates, resources, and avoiding what is not, pain, hunger, discomfort.
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I understand your point but the animal in question does not.
If it understood good and evil it would know why it does what it does.
As far as we know at this point in time, it does not. Instincts guide, they do not know that they are doing it.
This would not be a good thing for man and is likely why we are the superior species.

Regards
DL








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Greatest I am said:


I understand your point but the animal in question does not.
If it understood good and evil it would know why it does what it does.
As far as we know at this point in time, it does not. Instincts guide, they do not know that they are doing it.
This would not be a good thing for man and is likely why we are the superior species.

Regards
DL
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So you maintain that we know the difference between good and evil, because we know "what is desirable?" How would you characterize Ghengis Khan's fondest desire?

"The greatest pleasure is to vanquish your enemies and chase them before you, to rob them of their wealth and see those dear to them bathed in tears, to ride their horses and clasp to your bosom their wives and daughters. "
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Greatest I Am, can you fix the last quote of mine in your post? Some of your comments spilled into the quote.

For the noun comment, fine. Is the knowledge we gain from "evil acts" necessary for optimum growth? If so, how?

Greatest I am said:

I would think not unless that knowledge produces a new movie and brings you millions.​
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I don't see the relevance in this comment. Is not learning about finding the optimum strategies and best ways to achieve our objectives? In that sense is the long-term effects of evil acts in regards to the development of humanity optimum in learning and growing?
 
ImaginalDisc said:
So you maintain that we know the difference between good and evil, because we know "what is desirable?" How would you characterize Ghengis Khan's fondest desire?
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In any conflict situation it is good to be the winner.
It is evil to be the looser.
The Khan was a barbarian and a great man in his day. Today we profess to be more civilized. Please do not ask for a definition of that word.

Regards
DL
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Greatest I am said:


In any conflict situation it is good to be the winner.
It is evil to be the looser.
The Khan was a barbarian and a great man in his day. Today we profess to be more civilized. Please do not ask for a definition of that word.

Regards
DL
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So, to be clear, you think this is "good:"

The greatest pleasure is to vanquish your enemies and chase them before you, to rob them of their wealth and see those dear to them bathed in tears, to ride their horses and clasp to your bosom their wives and daughters.
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If you are being sincire, you are a dangerous and frightening creature.
 
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