Terrorist Organization Assaults Amish Farmers Over Milk Production

[Kid Eager]

Sometimes it can be hard to pin down exactly what someone is saying, especially when the exact topic tends to drift around.

I believe what he is saying is that if Apple makes an iPhone, I can examine it all I want, and if I can figure out how to make that product for cheaper, or improve upon it, then I should be allowed to do so under a different name. Selling my animusPhone as though it were an iPhone is fraud.

Not allowing someone to make a cheaper, or better version would in effect stifle invention as well as lower overall value creation.

I refer to the bit I bolded above - that is the exact argument corporations (not the State) make in favour of having patents, as without patents there is no incentive for them to spend big bucks to make the inventions, by the permission granted through patents to engage in a limited duration monopoly. Note: This is not my opinion, I'm just reporting who uses the argument and how.

 

[michaelsuede]

You appear to be conflating concepts of patent, copyright, and Egyptian religious practices. This in itself is fine, but is somewhat irrelevant to the argument you appear to be trying to make.

Here's some light reading on copyright. If you're going to rant about Teh Evill Statez you may as well get it right:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright

I fail to see what I have gotten wrong. But thanks for the link anyways.

 

[michaelsuede]

I refer to the bit I bolded above - that is the exact argument corporations (not the State) make in favour of having patents, as without patents there is no incentive for them to spend big bucks to make the inventions, by the permission granted through patents to engage in a limited duration monopoly. Note: This is not my opinion, I'm just reporting who uses the argument and how.

here's a tip.

the corporations are lying about their motives for wanting patents.

It's funny how State and corporate interests always seem to be aligned in our society...... hmmmm.

 

[TheAntiV]

I eagerly await your research demonstrating raw milk is bad for you.

I'm sure the research will be paid for by some dairy conglomerate or other institution that operates at their behest.

Funny how conspiracy theorists and individuals base their claims on unscientific data immediately make that assumption.

It's also commonly used by anti-vaxxers and truthers.

It's truly nothing more than a desperate attempt to avoid admitting that you lack evidence of the contrary.

 

[Skeptic]

Obama and the dems have been seeking to go after the food supply for some time if you ask me.

And, after three years in power, they raided one Amish dairy farm. At this rate, it might take them a few milennia to get the food supply under control for their nefarious purposes.

 

[DC]

im a bit dissapointed by the thread, i had hoped to see some amish getting tazered.

 

[Zep]

So let me get this straight, mikey.

You think it should really be perfectly OK to copy the fruit of someone else's expensive intellectual and development labour, make a cheap (i.e. knock-off) version and sell your copies at a massive profit to yourself. First to market wins.

Have I got that right?

 

[corbin]

This is much more clearly an economic issue than a conspiracy theory.

 

[Twiler]

Glad to hear you might physically injure someone to prevent them from physically injuring themselves.

Would you let a child eat broken glass?

 

[ideogram]

This is much more clearly an economic issue than a conspiracy theory.

I think suede needs to get the message that his ranting threads can get tossed in the garbage as fast as he creates them.

 

[Zep]

This is much more clearly an economic not an issue than a conspiracy theory.

Fixed.

 

[psionl0]

I think suede needs to get the message that his ranting threads can get tossed in the garbage as fast as he creates them.

Not as long as you keep bumping them.

 

[kookbreaker]

Sometimes it can be hard to pin down exactly what someone is saying, especially when the exact topic tends to drift around.

I believe what he is saying is that if Apple makes an iPhone, I can examine it all I want, and if I can figure out how to make that product for cheaper, or improve upon it, then I should be allowed to do so under a different name. Selling my animusPhone as though it were an iPhone is fraud.

Not allowing someone to make a cheaper, or better version would in effect stifle invention as well as lower overall value creation.

Animus,

By now you've seen his reply about this and know his opinion for certain.

The problem is not innovation based on an existing product, it is that he thinks there is nothing wrong with just outright copying the product. That is the opposite of innovation and development and is just theft.

OpenOffice is an example of innovation. Making copies of Microsoft Office and selling it is not.

 

[Ausmerican]

Says the man with a baby in his profile picture.

Well I only say this because your views come off as an angry teenagers.


Also most adults dont call a kid that age a baby. Teenagers do though.

General FYI though: Avatar =/= profile picture.

 

[Stellafane]

I eagerly await your research demonstrating raw milk is bad for you.

Well, this one time, the cow fell on me and it hurt.

 

[AlaskaBushPilot]

I noticed the inconvenience of the government profiting so handsomly through the sale of the deadliest products known has been set aside in order to continue along with the fairy tale assumption the government's motives are purely to "protect us".

This blind faith in the government is just as powerful as religious fanaticism. It requires all of the same kinds of congitive dissonance, comparmentalization, rationalization, selective attention, etc.

Right here in this thread you have people arguing about how dangerous whole milk is, taking this extremely compartmentalized position about how we need to be prohibited from it - while in the meantime obviously deadly things like skydiving which has killed around a thousand people in the US since 1995 go on in obvious contradiction to the basic premise.

Skydiving isn't even among the more dangerous of the virtually infinite things permitted. Being fat and not exercising is probably the most dangerous. It's just that the contrast of allowing people to jump out of a plane at ten thousand feet altitude, and allowing a whole industry to profit from it while at the same time arguing how dangerous whole milk is - this proves how irrational people can be.

 

[odeed]

In your example, you were not stealing ideas. In your Rolex example you were stealing a design, possibly the mechanism, and certainly the logo.

Theft.

I think in michaelsuede world, one could always pay for a fake Rolex watch with fake $10 bills.

 

[sadhatter]

I think if you were the Amish farmers, you would be terrorized by the FDA's actions.

Hence, it is entirely appropriate to label the FDA as a terrorist organization.

If someone is afraid of small men with knives, they would be terrified of me, does that make me a terrorist?

 

[sadhatter]

The camera shot is from a raw food retail raid in a separate Stasi incident.

It doesn't matter if the Amish get up at 3:00, 5:00, or high noon. Armed men barging on to your private property demanding to inspect everything is violation of human rights.

Not if your doing something illegal.

I am all about breaking the law to make a point, but if you don't want to take the punishment, don't break the law.

We live in a rather civilized society, if the amish really want to have the law changed, they can do it in a civilized way. If they want to flaunt the law in protest ( which i agree with.) then they have to be willing to accept the repercussions. It isn't taking a stand if there are no consequences for doing so.

 

[sadhatter]

What? You guys actually think the FDA should be protecting us from ourselves?

Even if we assume that raw milk is dangerous, people should be allowed to make poor decisions. You cannot legislate intelligence from the top-down... you just end up with pesky government micromanagement of personal live choices and create the justification necessary for anti-competitive economic regulations.

Making dangerous **** illegal also creates a black market (with all of its negative effects) because the demand is still there.

Oh yeah, i remember in scarface when he was shipping raw milk and making a mint off of it.

I can see it now, amish men in hoodies packin' heat, trying to look inconspicuous on street corners, subtly whispering " Hey there , english, dost thou have a need?", trying to hook another middle classman on the good stuff.