Terrorist Organization Assaults Amish Farmers Over Milk Production

[michaelsuede]

It has nothing to do with "arguments to be made in favour of raw milk" but rather whether the government has any business dictating to every single member of society what they can or cannot do at the point of a gun.

Multiple times the personal attacks have been used here, eg "grown-ups" - when exactly this sort of approach is what makes The Daily Show a better take on news for millions of people than do the so-called "news networks".

But for you to use name-calling yourself here while complaining about that very thing from him seems very hypocritical. There must be something else going on here for you, and I don't know the history of it but it seems clear to me.

The politics driving the laws are invariably driven by vested interests, but always painted with specious noble intentions. It is extremely depressing that presumably intelligent people buy into dictatorial authority over the entire society as if my free choice of eating something mortally threatens the rest of society - and thereby justifies deadly force to prohibit me from eating whatever it is.

The "people are stupid" argument goes with everything - people are too "stupid" to exercise. So why not force everyone to exercise and have the government raiding fat peoples' homes to seize their twinkies at the point of a gun? The largest killers by far in the USA have a lot more to do with lifestyle choices like not exercising than with poisonous products.

There's no monied interest advancing such laws. There's no bureaucracy justifying its existence (yet) doing stings to check your pulse and blood pressure.

But from what I see on this forum, such things will be cheered on with the exact same arguments about "safety" and people being too "stupid" to be free.

You are killing me with rational logic. I order you to cease and desist all logical thought processes immediately. You might hurt yourself.

 

[fuelair]

The criminal terrorist organization you call the FDA has decided that you are simply too stupid to know what’s best for you. Accordingly, they have raided a completely peaceful Amish farmer for the heinous crime of selling raw milk to willing consumers.

You see, consumers might accidentally purchase raw milk, confusing it with highly modified, steroid ridden, pasteurized, homogenized, genetically altered regular milk produced by mega-corporate dairy conglomerates, which might put their lives in jeopardy based on research conducted back in the 1960s (which has never been subsequently verified).

In order to get around federal jurisdiction legalities, the terrorist organization purchased milk from the farmers who then shipped it across state lines. This act gave the feds the authority to mount a 5:00 AM raid on the Amish farmers, who were subsequently traumatized by armed Stasi enforcers storming around their private property looking for anything they deemed to be unwholesome for you.

Chairman Mao warned us that “There is a serious tendency toward capitalism among the well-to-do peasants.” It appears as if his prophecy has come to pass here in our criminal communist State. Thank god the FDA is here to crack down on those who would make a living by providing products that people are voluntarily willing to pay for.

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An officer demonstrates his lack of masculinity by drawing his weapon in fear of being attacked by raw milk wholesalers.

Raw milk distributors have a history of violent gang-like activity dating back to 10,000 B.C. when Ugma the goat farmer beat Bututu over head with a Woolly Mammoth thighbone for not paying his milk protection money. I can see why armed State agents were necessary in order take on the Amish mafia at 5:00 AM.

Personally , I almost agree with you on the point of letting the Amish or anyone else sell raw milk to anyone - though I would insist on the single provision that if they give it to anyone under the age of 21 and that person dies of it they automatically get 10-20 years at hard labor for manslaughter by willful, curable stupidity. See, I don't care if the dolt who wants to drink it gets a tainted batch and craps all the water out of his body while withing in agony - his choice, his bad. But if he messes up others with it...........

I know you hate being told what to do and do not care what harm doing some of the things you idlely and, apparently, without considering why they might be done in the modern world, disdain and consider evil and mean and whatever floats your Ship of Fools, but very good science (beginning with very good science by Louis Pasteur - and, in a vaguely related way by E. Jenner (he of vaccination fame)) says you are wrong on this.

 

[fuelair]

I think insurance companies should take over our policing and court systems.

They would do a better job of providing those services and they would do so based entirely on voluntary purchases rather than coercive theft.

Insurance companies wouldn't be raiding Amish farmers at 5:00 AM for producing milk products.

Is it possible you could attempt to make an accurate stement at least when it is based directly on your own writing? The FDA did not go after them for producing anything (the cows produce the milk to be pedantic) (but the FDA did not go after them or the cows for that) they went after them for distributing/selling it which is, as I like to refer to it (because it's correct), illegal. Yes, pasteurized milk, like anything that provides material bacteria, molds,etc. can grow in might - if it is contaminated after the pasteurization, contaminated in the home or restaurant by being left out in an unclean environment - become dangerous - in the way raw milk automatically can be.

 

[The_Animus]

The OP may be massive hyperbole, but you know I think we need more of that.

Honestly this raid is retarded. That's all there is to it. Trying to prevent the production and sale in and of itself is stupid. Adding armed people raiding an Amish group raises it to ******* retarded.

As the OP points out

Nationally, according to the Centers for Disease Control, from 1998 to 2005 there were 1,007 illnesses and two deaths from raw milk or cheese consumption - a tiny fraction of the estimated 76 million total cases of foodborne illnesses each year.

Meanwhile alcohol is linked to 75,000 deaths each year in the US.
Tobacco is linked to nearly 450,000 deaths each year in the US.

Where is the armed raid on bars, breweries, gas stations, and tobacco farms?

 

[UWdude]

I just have to ask; is this kind of thing working for you? Have you ever convinced anyone ever of these opinions you are trying to relate with this overblown, hysterical hyperbole?

My brother and his wife are big raw milk fans, and they are working to get it legalised in TX where they live, but somehow they are able to do so in a mature, calm manner (without childish name-calling and emotional arguments) and are seeing results that way.

Why can't you?

Rational and calm is easy when you aren't having guns drawn on you. I guess for some people, having a gun unjustly drawn on them riles them up. For others, seeing guns drawn unjustly riles them up, angries up the blood, makes them see red.

For some people it's a shoulder shrugger. Have you seen Kate's dress? It's to die for.

 

[Zep]

If people want to hold a dog's penis up to their mouth and drink its urine, you have no right to stop them from doing so.

But if it was you doing the drinking, and you didn't know where the product came from nor if it were safe or not, would YOU drink it?

Unless you personally oversee every item of food and drink you consume, from source to your mouth, at some point you are going to have to rely on someone else to ensure that foodstuff hasn't been contaminated. So you are either going to have to farm your own food and milk your own cow, or take a gamble on ill health or death due to avoidable diseases. In which case, wouldn't you rather that "someone else" was reliably informed, vigilant and could act positively to prevent violations of your health standards? Hmmm?

Oh, that's right! In your world, if you do die from food poisoning, you can sue the provider! Or shoot him, whichever is the greater penalty.

 

[Zep]

Nationally, according to the Centers for Disease Control, from 1998 to 2005 there were 1,007 illnesses and two deaths from raw milk or cheese consumption - a tiny fraction of the estimated 76 million total cases of foodborne illnesses each year.

Which means a very large fraction of milk products have not made people sick. Because they have actually applied the safety standards effectively.

Louis Pasteur would be spinning in his grave...

 

[MG1962]

Rational and calm is easy when you aren't having guns drawn on you. I guess for some people, having a gun unjustly drawn on them riles them up. For others, seeing guns drawn unjustly riles them up, angries up the blood, makes them see red..

Well just throwing it out there, but maybe if they answered the letters from the FDA over the previous 2 years, might not have needed a 5am raid to get their attention

 

[michaelsuede]

Rational and calm is easy when you aren't having guns drawn on you. I guess for some people, having a gun unjustly drawn on them riles them up. For others, seeing guns drawn unjustly riles them up, angries up the blood, makes them see red.

For some people it's a shoulder shrugger. Have you seen Kate's dress? It's to die for.

LOL

money

 

[michaelsuede]

Well just throwing it out there, but maybe if they answered the letters from the FDA over the previous 2 years, might not have needed a 5am raid to get their attention

Yeah, its all the farmers fault for not bowing down to the whims of tyrants.

 

[MG1962]

Yeah, its all the farmers fault for not bowing down to the whims of tyrants.

Grow up, faux rage is so 70's try a new act.

 

[michaelsuede]

Grow up, faux rage is so 70's try a new act.

How about you grow up and stop supporting coercive theft.

 

[AlaskaBushPilot]

Tobacco is linked to nearly 450,000 deaths each year in the US.

Where is the armed raid on... tobacco farms?

They can and will. If you aren't a vested interest profiteer.

Tobacco can only be legally grown for sale on land with vested "tobacco rights". The profits from commercial tobacco production are actually protected by government fines and imprisonment.

The government also subsidizes the tobacco industry, such as with crop insurance.

The sale of tobacco is fine so long as the government gets its billions in revenue. It's over $20 billion in combined state and federal revenues. They have to pretend like they are protecting children and all, but their own commissioned studies show demand is inelastic and that's why they tax it - not because it cuts back on consumption.

The upshot is that allegedly intelligent people will swallow a story about how the government is so pure and noble in its motives to "protect" people, when the fact is the government is earning billions through the sale of the deadliest commoddities known, and protects their conspiring profiteers at the end of a gun barrel.

But they are not getting big money from raw milk producers. If they were, then raw milk could kill half a million people a year and the government would be just fine with it.

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Actually the families of victims from food poisoning do sue for wrongful death, even when there are pretty little inspection papers from the government posted on the wall assuring them the food is trustworthy. So have people that died from tobacco that the government allowed to be produced.

The last people on earth I trust for my own safety are government employees who are protected by sovereign immunity, by collective bargaining that protects them in the most wretched performance of their duties, and who seem to like pointing guns at me more than helping me with much of anything.

 

[MG1962]

How about you grow up and stop supporting coercive theft.

How about you quit with the down with the man routine. People do have fall backs, recourse to governments overstepping the mark. This farmer had two years to do something and didn't. Tough to be him. He was no victim he was an ignorant criminal that thought like you

 

[kookbreaker]

If I sell you something through fraud, such as selling you a fake Rolex while claiming it is a real Rolex, then you have a right to sue me to get your money back.

If I sell you a fake Rolex and tell you it is a fake Rolex, and you still wish to purchase that fake Rolex from me, the State has no right to stop you or me from engaging in that transaction.

So Rolex has absolutely no say in you making imitations of their products? They have zero protection from copyright infringement and reputation damaging products in your eyes?

 

[michaelsuede]

How about you quit with the down with the man routine. People do have fall backs, recourse to governments overstepping the mark. This farmer had two years to do something and didn't. Tough to be him. He was no victim he was an ignorant criminal that thought like you

Your philosophical arguments are so persuasive that you have convinced me to see the error of my ways.

I shall hence forth demand more of your money be put to raiding cow farmers who dare question the State's authoritay.

 

[michaelsuede]

So Rolex has absolutely no say in you making imitations of their products? They have zero protection from copyright infringement and reputation damaging products in your eyes?

Yes, I'm saying Rolex has no say in anything.

Copywrite and intellectual property laws are nothing more than State privileged monopolies.

If I can make a watch that looks just like a Rolex, good for me. It's my property and I should be able to sell it to whoever I chose. (provided I tell them I made it, not rolex, otherwise I would be engaged in fraud).

 

[kookbreaker]

Yes, I'm saying Rolex has no say in anything.

Copywrite and intellectual property laws are nothing more than State privileged monopolies.

If I can make a watch that looks just like a Rolex, good for me. It's my property and I should be able to sell it to whoever I chose. (provided I tell them I made it, not rolex, otherwise I would be engaged in fraud).

So then, why should anyone invent anything if all they get is to see some company or sleazebag steal their design and maybe slap a new label on it?

 

[MG1962]

Your philosophical arguments are so persuasive that you have convinced me to see the error of my ways.

I shall hence forth demand more of your money be put to raiding cow farmers who dare question the State's authoritay.

What side of the road do you drive on?

 

[michaelsuede]

So then, why should anyone invent anything if all they get is to see some company or sleazebag steal their design and maybe slap a new label on it?

because people like to buy stuff?

crap was invented before State privileged monopolies and crap will be invented after their passing.