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Ed Ten dead in Sante Fe, Texas, school shooting.

CNN: The teenager who allegedly used a shotgun and a revolver to kill 10 people and wound 10 others at a Texas high school Friday admitted he didn't shoot people he liked and meant to kill the ones he did target, a probable cause affidavit says.

(Is that a Nazi thing?)
 
He and his family attended Greek Orthodox Church where he would also perform traditional Greek dances.
 
I love this claim that he posted Neo-Nazi memorabilia online:

That same day, Pagourtzis posted multiple pictures of a duster jacket emblazoned with a variety of symbols including the Iron Cross, a German military award last given by the Nazis, and a hammer and sickle. He said he equated the Iron Cross with “bravery,” and the hammer and sickle with “rebellion.”

Yes, the Germans last awarded the Iron Cross back during the Nazi era, but they also awarded it for over 125 years before that. Of course there is one easy way to tell, the Nazi-era Iron Cross includes a swastika in the middle. ETA: It's probably just a piece of junk replica, but certainly unlikely to be from the Nazi era. If you look here, the ribbons for genuine WWII Iron Crosses have thin black and white stripes surrounding a larger red stripe.

But beyond that, note that they do not mention in the headline that he posted pro-Communist memorabilia online. And in the picture at the top of the article, he is apparently wearing a bisexual pride button on his cap. Somehow that too didn't seem worthy of mention in the headline.
 
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I'm saying that mass shootings will continue unless Americans no longer possess any guns.

I disagree here, and it's possible to see that from what has happened in non-American countries.

There has been no need to take away all guns to prevent these kinds of shootings, and in fact this would be a silly thing to do considering that the US has cougars, bears, coyotes, wolves, and snakes.

Rather than simply banning all guns, it would work better to revoke the 2nd amendment so as to allow the Federal Government to institute a single nationwide licensing system based in the Licences already in existence at State level, but rather then having 50 different versions, just having one.

The basics of gaining a licence should be the same as Federal Law for purchasing a gun.

- 18 years of age or older
- No Felony Record
- No Mental Issues
- No Domestic Abuse convictions (allegations?)

I'd also include

- No Gun law violations
- 3 referees, 1 direct family member and 2 others
- Membership to a local gun and/or hunting club

and one from Australia....

- Citing a valid requirement to have a gun.

Having a licence would involve having all weapons keep in a secured storage when not in use, and preferably having weapons and ammo stored separately.

For those that are wanting a gun purely for sports shooting, this might be something like having a locker at their licensed gun club with the only time that they need to remove it from the club premises is for travelling to another club for shooting and/or competition.

For Hunters and those that need them for protection, they could have a gun safe at home, and would only have them outside of that when they were being used or transported for hunting or the reason they have them for protection.

For home protection, weapons allowed would be highly limited, mostly to weapons that have a slower muzzle velocity so that a house wall could prevent the projectile from passing through. High power guns would not be allowed for home protection in residential areas so as to prevent stray shots passing through multiple homes and risking hitting neighbours.

For Concealed Carry, membership to a licensed pistol club would be compulsory, with yearly testing by the club to check on their fitness to remain licensed to carry a concealed handgun.

Collectors, Movie Prop masters etc would have their own licences and regulations on whether a gun had to be disabled before being allowed.

Military style Rapid fire weapons would have their own licencing, as would machine guns such as the Bren, and Gattling, and also high power sniper style weapons such as 50 caliber rifles, and such weapons a rocket launchers and RPGs. These licenses would be issued on a purely need basis, and most likely to clubs and ranges which would allow their members to fire them at the range.

Licences would be required to be shown for all purchases of a firearm, firearm receiver, ammo, or primers.

For firearm use by non-licensed users, as long as there is no more than 4 unlicensed users to each licensed user, and any unlicensed user is being supervised at all times by a licensed user who is responsible for the unlicensed users actions, then an unlicensed user may carry and use a firearm under the same provisions of the licensed supervisor.

Finally, and this one I know certain people will hate, all firearms should be registered in a national database that the police can access with a warrant so as to search a serial number of a recovered weapon and match that weapon to the last registered owner. It should have no other search functions and to keep as many people as possible happy, it should be held and run by a non-government entity and would require a warrant and recovered firearm to access by law enforcement.

Other than this, the only real change to the law I'd like would be adding a failure to report the loss or theft of a firearm, which would stipulate that a gun owner is to report the theft or loss of a gun within 48 hours of the discovery of the loss or theft, or at the first opportune moment should they be physically unable to report during that time period.

Beyond that, strict enforcement of current laws is what is needed.
 
What did Australia do with the masses of people who already owned guns and didn't cooperate and kept guns hidden? What will America do about the masses with guns who won't let the government touch them? Keep your guns at the shooting range? No, that will be refused by so many gun owners here.
 
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What did Australia do with the masses of people who already owned guns and didn't cooperate and kept guns hidden? What will America do about the masses with guns who won't let the government touch them? Keep your guns at the shooting range? No, that will be refused by so many gun owners here.

Australia didn't actually go door to door and confiscate guns, they created a new licensing system and those that weren't able to gain a new license generally disposed of their weapons through sales to those that held licenses or by turning them in. Those that hid them really only were dealt with as they became known to the police and authorities.

In the way I suggest the reality is that most Americans with gun would be able to keep them because most gun owners would be able to qualify for a license without issue, so there is no need for large conficastions. If someone without the ability to gain a license fails to turn in their weapons, then they are dealt with when they come to the attention of Law Enforcement just as they should be currently when they have a gun and fall outside of the Federal ownership laws.

As to those that would keep their weapons at a range, it would only be those that stated that they wanted a license purely for sports shooting. Such people would have no reason to store their guns in their home.
 
Liberals are naive if they think a bunch of dead kids will change my understanding of the Second Amendment.
 
CNN: Henry told reporters that the suspect had devices but none was functional. One was a pressure cooker with an alarm clock and nails, but no explosive material. There was also an unlit Molotov cocktail found, he said.
 
I love this claim that he posted Neo-Nazi memorabilia online:



Yes, the Germans last awarded the Iron Cross back during the Nazi era, but they also awarded it for over 125 years before that. Of course there is one easy way to tell, the Nazi-era Iron Cross includes a swastika in the middle. ETA: It's probably just a piece of junk replica, but certainly unlikely to be from the Nazi era. If you look here, the ribbons for genuine WWII Iron Crosses have thin black and white stripes surrounding a larger red stripe.

But beyond that, note that they do not mention in the headline that he posted pro-Communist memorabilia online. And in the picture at the top of the article, he is apparently wearing a bisexual pride button on his cap. Somehow that too didn't seem worthy of mention in the headline.

Interesting. I repeated the "Nazi" thing. I read that there were racist things posted to Instagram, and repeated it. Perhaps I was using a poor source.

I also read that he was wearing an American flag today. T-shirt, I think. Curious what they left out.
 
While fake news was going crazy with 24/7 coverage of ten people killed in a school by guns, the daily total of a hundred fatalities by assault vehicles was reached as usual without a word. Over a hundred a day, every day -- over 40,000 a year. No calls by the left for a ban on assault vehicles, even though the people killed are generally crushed, mangled up, torn apart, etc.
 
While fake news was going crazy with 24/7 coverage of ten people killed in a school by guns, the daily total of a hundred fatalities by assault vehicles was reached as usual without a word. Over a hundred a day, every day -- over 40,000 a year. No calls by the left for a ban on assault vehicles, even though the people killed are generally crushed, mangled up, torn apart, etc.

LAV's, Humvees and other APCs are being used to deliberately kill up to 40,000 people a year? You'd think the Army would hire less psychotic drivers.

You're right though, these sorts of military style vehicles shouldn't be in the hands of Joe Public.
 
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I love this claim that he posted Neo-Nazi memorabilia online:

Yes, the Germans last awarded the Iron Cross back during the Nazi era, but they also awarded it for over 125 years before that. Of course there is one easy way to tell, the Nazi-era Iron Cross includes a swastika in the middle. ETA: It's probably just a piece of junk replica, but certainly unlikely to be from the Nazi era. If you look here, the ribbons for genuine WWII Iron Crosses have thin black and white stripes surrounding a larger red stripe.

But beyond that, note that they do not mention in the headline that he posted pro-Communist memorabilia online. And in the picture at the top of the article, he is apparently wearing a bisexual pride button on his cap. Somehow that too didn't seem worthy of mention in the headline.
Oh my word! You are trying to say this very sad teen who wanted to commit suicide by cop but chickened out was a commie bisexual, not a Nazi? :boggled:

I haven't gotten the feeling from any of the MSNBC or the CNN coverage that anyone was claiming this guy was a right-wing terrorist.

None of these school shooters have been portrayed as right wing terrorists. The issues have been mental illness (depression expressed as suicidal, and schizophrenia, i.e. not all the same) and gun access.

The last Nazi/alt-right fatality in the US IIRC, was that poor woman killed by an idiot driving his car into the crowd in Charlottesville. I'm not sure why you are conflating that with the push for sensible gun regulations.
 
Storing them safely and securely may not prevent a mass shooting after a theft or taking them by force (armed robber forces you to open the gun safe).

That shouldn't be a problem.

A true legal gun owner would rather die than give up their guns.
 
Oh my word! You are trying to say this very sad teen who wanted to commit suicide by cop but chickened out was a commie bisexual, not a Nazi? :boggled:

I haven't gotten the feeling from any of the MSNBC or the CNN coverage that anyone was claiming this guy was a right-wing terrorist.

Maybe the meme is not catching on. I do note that quite a few places are going with the Nazi thing.

Splinter:

He also allegedly posted photographs of a long coat festooned with a variety of political buttons and pins, including a Nazi iron cross.

Jewish Telegraphic Agency:

The suspect in a school shooting at a Texas high school that left at least 10 people dead had posted a photo of a symbol associated with Nazism on social media.
 
While fake news was going crazy with 24/7 coverage of ten people killed in a school by guns, the daily total of a hundred fatalities by assault vehicles was reached as usual without a word. Over a hundred a day, every day -- over 40,000 a year. No calls by the left for a ban on assault vehicles, even though the people killed are generally crushed, mangled up, torn apart, etc.

Oh dear. This bogus, pathetic “argument” has been demolished so many times, I can barely be bothered responding. Er, no, I can’t be bothered.

But please complete the holy trinity. Throw in swimming pools and golf clubs.
 

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