Teens trash house while owner gone.

malicus said:
Plot twist. Parents hitting back claiming house was already in a state of disrepair and effectively abandoned. In foreclosure, owing over one meeeellion dollars.

So it was really the banks house. And we all hate the banks. So all ok. Right?
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I don't think it changes the criminal aspect, but may be quite appropriately relevant to the question of damages rewarded.
 
sgtbaker said:
I am a tough on crime kind of person but there has to be a fitting punishment. Violent crimes against a person deserves a long, hard sentence. What these kids did, as bratty, self entitled, thoughtless as their acts were, it was devious, not criminally violent. Throwing them in prison might make us all happy knowing that they will wake up every day and regret those actions but what good will come out of it at the end? It just makes it that much more likely that they will be harder criminals when they come out.

Unfortunately for them, with the helicopter parents that a lot of them seem to have, no punishment; fitting as your suggestions are or prison, will override their parents need to make victims out of them.
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KatieG said:
I'd guess someone close to them also got the virus warning and the webmaster fixed whatever was wrong.

These kids need to do months of community service, cleaning up roadways, parks, public areas in the town. A few weeks won't be enough to reinforce their understanding that what they did was way beyond wrong. This was someone's home, not an abandoned construction project. Also make them give up their phones and computer privileges so they can't bitch about how much they hate what they're doing. This is an extreme example of peer pressure and entitlement. Maybe they should be forced to give up some physical item that's important to them so they further understand how it impacted the family.
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Foolmewunz said:
I agree on your idea of a sentence. But make it hurt a little. Every afternoon after school for two hours. No football practice, no meeting with Skip and Muffie on the quad or whatever it is they do for leisure time there. Lose some of your extracurricular privileges for a while AND do some good in the community.

But I'd make part of the sentence that they keep their mobile devices and internet privileges, and that if anyone says one damned word about the community service or the sentence, that person gets 30 more days added. Let them learn some self control and that being a citizen of a community is not just about rights but responsibilities.
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gnome said:
I'm liking the creative consequence ideas, and without need of suggesting they rot in prison, either :P
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It seems like common sense. If they trashed this persons house, how about take them out to fix up blighted homes so they learn what it takes to repair the kind of damage they did? They puked on the carpet? Go pull up some carpet and install a new one. The ruined a wall? Repaint the walls of ten homes for the poor. Scrub the bathrooms. When it's done, someone has a nicer place to live in, and I'd bet you this would be cheaper for taxpayers than holding them in jail.
 
I actually like some of the ideas in this thread. I think the guy who owned the house would agree. He didn't seem to want them prosecuted for criminal acts of burglary, but seemed more concerned with their well being.
 
I find it odd that so many think these kids can be redeemed. I find what they did irredeemable. There is no way these kids grow up to be responsible adults. Sure they might act a little better for a few years but deep down they will be who they always were: little psychopaths.

Frankly if that house had caught fire while they were in it consuming all 300 in its flames the world would be a better place. Instead the rest of society will deceive itself into thinking those punks can be taught to be better people and throw away time and resources better spent on actually worthwhile individuals.

Sad.
 
Travis said:
I find it odd that so many think these kids can be redeemed. I find what they did irredeemable. There is no way these kids grow up to be responsible adults. Sure they might act a little better for a few years but deep down they will be who they always were: little psychopaths.

Frankly if that house had caught fire while they were in it consuming all 300 in its flames the world would be a better place. Instead the rest of society will deceive itself into thinking those punks can be taught to be better people and throw away time and resources better spent on actually worthwhile individuals.

Sad.
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It's highly questionable that all of them were aware they weren't supposed to be there; there's bound to be some who just naively tag along with friends. Stupidity probably played just as an important role as malicious intent. The former being something that occasionally does dissipate with age.
 
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Travis said:
I find it odd that so many think these kids can be redeemed. I find what they did irredeemable. There is no way these kids grow up to be responsible adults. Sure they might act a little better for a few years but deep down they will be who they always were: little psychopaths.

Frankly if that house had caught fire while they were in it consuming all 300 in its flames the world would be a better place. Instead the rest of society will deceive itself into thinking those punks can be taught to be better people and throw away time and resources better spent on actually worthwhile individuals.

Sad.
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1 lawyer
1 major in the army
1 engineer
1 office worker
1 bum running a coffee shop in Thailand

That's the roll call of the five guys in Tulsa who found an empty house and robbed it, took their T-Bird and drove it for a few nights and then drove it into a swimming pool, and felt real bad about it afterwards as long as it was our parents and the juvenille court judge doing the asking.

Kids do stupid ****. That's a far cry from "psychopaths". It's not even "sociopaths", and they're certainly not irredeemable. The got stupid; mob mentality; all that stuff. It's not the My Lai massacre.
 
Travis said:
I find it odd that so many think these kids can be redeemed. I find what they did irredeemable. There is no way these kids grow up to be responsible adults. Sure they might act a little better for a few years but deep down they will be who they always were: little psychopaths.

Frankly if that house had caught fire while they were in it consuming all 300 in its flames the world would be a better place. Instead the rest of society will deceive itself into thinking those punks can be taught to be better people and throw away time and resources better spent on actually worthwhile individuals.

Sad.
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You honestly think 300 teenagers should burn to death because they damaged property?
 
Travis said:
I find it odd that so many think these kids can be redeemed. I find what they did irredeemable. There is no way these kids grow up to be responsible adults. Sure they might act a little better for a few years but deep down they will be who they always were: little psychopaths.

Frankly if that house had caught fire while they were in it consuming all 300 in its flames the world would be a better place. Instead the rest of society will deceive itself into thinking those punks can be taught to be better people and throw away time and resources better spent on actually worthwhile individuals.

Sad.
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Psychopaths? Well I guess almost all teenagers are psychopaths by definition.

Irredeemable? If you gave up on every teenager who did something stupid there wouldn't be too many 'worthwhile individuals' left.

As an adult, I'm considered a community leader. I volunteer extensively and have served on the boards of numerous charitable organizationns. I'm honest to a fault at times. I did some really dumb things when I was a teenager but was never caught. Mostly petty vandalism and some minor theft. (Street signs mostly).

Note, I was never caught and punished for anything. I have no arrest record juvenile or otherwise. How did I go from being what you call a pyschopath to being a contributing member of society? I grew up. Really that simple I think and from what I've read it's the norm not the exception. The juvenile brain is wired differently so that teenagers often lack or have less empathy than adults.

When I see some of my fellow psychopaths from my youth, one of the most common comments we make when reminiscing is, "I can't believe how stupid we were."

I also think the community service will only effect a small percentage of the group positively. That doesn't mean I think the kids in the OP shouldn't be punished. No, if you get caught you pay the price, but punishment, even community service of any kind is not some kind of magic wand that will make teenagers into responsible adults. Only time can do that.
 
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Foolmewunz said:
Kids do stupid ****. That's a far cry from "psychopaths". It's not even "sociopaths", and they're certainly not irredeemable. The got stupid; mob mentality; all that stuff. It's not the My Lai massacre.
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Seriously now. These kids are little turds, sure, and deserve punishment, but let's not lose perspective here, jesus...
 
Holloway should be allowed a surpise visit to the homes of the kids and to trash their room as they did with his house. Then they should be made to work to make their rooms as they were before and replace everything that was broken or taken away.
Of course that would require parents who comply with that, considering the attitude of those spoiled brats and the fact that only one of them showed up to help clean the mess up, that wouldn't be many. Probably the parents were entitled little ***** when they were young, too.
 
I can't agree with responding to a crime with a reciprocal crime. There are plenty of things to make the kids fix or clean up without intentionally messing up more.
 
ixolite said:
Holloway should be allowed a surpise visit to the homes of the kids and to trash their room as they did with his house. Then they should be made to work to make their rooms as they were before and replace everything that was broken or taken away.
Of course that would require parents who comply with that, considering the attitude of those spoiled brats and the fact that only one of them showed up to help clean the mess up, that wouldn't be many. Probably the parents were entitled little ***** when they were young, too.
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Really? Did you see the video of him? He is totally nuts.

The place was abandoned and days away from a judicial sale, had previously been covered in graffiti, and this guy is absolutely chicken *********** this thing to wring every dime out of it.

The guy is a scum bag.

Here is the nut slandering his neighbor and going quasi freeman on the land on the hosts.

http://mashable.com/2013/09/23/nfl-brian-holloway-house/

Whoops, forgot the nuts link.
 
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16.5 said:
Really? Did you see the video of him? He is totally nuts.

The place was abandoned and days away from a judicial sale, had previously been covered in graffiti, and this guy is absolutely chicken *********** this thing to wring every dime out of it.

The guy is a scum bag.

Here is the nut slandering his neighbor and going quasi freeman on the land on the hosts.

Coo coo!
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:confused:

Is this a Poe?
 
16.5 said:
I don't think so, the guy is in massive financial difficulty and is trying to leverage this into making money.
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So it's OK to break into and trash the house of people who are in financial difficulty?

And what's your evidence he's trying to make money off of this?
 
WildCat said:
So it's OK to break into and trash the house of people who are in financial difficulty?

And what's your evidence he's trying to make money off of this?
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I obviously don't have the facts on this case, so it's a game of 'if'.

IF they broke into a house someone was living in and cared about and trashed it; that's wrong.

IF they broke into an abandoned dump and didn't change the conditions much from an already garbage state, that's wrong, but less egregious.

IF the monetary damage is being overstated that makes the motives of the property owner questionable.

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I have no idea what the facts are, but what facts come out are going to change my perspective on it.
 
WildCat said:
So it's OK to break into and trash the house of people who are in financial difficulty?

And what's your evidence he's trying to make money off of this?
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Did you intend to strawman the first question? Further, I believe I said the place was already trashed.

the evidence he is trying to make money off of it? The Donate Here button on his website.

He's trying to save them, ya see!

lolz, the guy's a loon.
 
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