Ted Olsen not sorry enough

[triforcharity]

Because he was charged with a Federal Offense, and last time I check, AA Flt. 77 was part of that crime.

Now, go download it, and find the information you claim is not available. I cannot download it for you.

 

[little grey rabbit]

There is a nice multimedia presentation but there are no documents presented (at least relating to the calls) nor are there references to documents or quotes from documents (in this download).

Barbara Olson is shown as making one unconnected phone call to the Department of Justice.

 

[TruthersLie]

This caught my attention



Is this true?
What phone technology is Barbara Olsen supposed to have used and did American Flight 77 have air phones installed or not?

<facepalm>

Great.. what next? Will you post the myth about her being apprehended at the german (IIRC) boarder with millions of lira?

 

[little grey rabbit]

<facepalm>

Great.. what next? Will you post the myth about her being apprehended at the german (IIRC) boarder with millions of lira?

In fact an integral method by which the Illuminati attempt to control the 911 atrocity is by feeding out of false stories, which are immediately multiplied by Illuminati members arguing over them

The classic example of this was when the German television program Panorama televised a story saying the Reuters "Dancing Palestinians" footage was obtained by the camera crew offering cake to some passersby in East Jerusalem if they would dance for the camera. It was a well researched and authoritative story.

However immediately it came out, the Internet was deluged with a claim by some Brazilian student that said his lecturer said it was all just archival footage from the first gulf war. Of course it wasn't, so the claim was loudly and repeatedly refuted.

Meanwhile the genuine and well founded and researched story about the camera crew offering cake to bystanders was completely buried.

Thats the Illuminati for you. They aren't dumb.

 

[little grey rabbit]

Someone has written a whole book on this subject.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/27611117/Voices-Book-9-11-phone-calls-from-4-doomed-aircraft

The statement from AA77 seems clear

ceptics had produced hard evidence that raised the
probability that Flight 77, ostensibly an American Airlines
Boeing 757, did not offer in-flight seatback phones as a
service to customers. The company’s own information
indicated that they had been ordered deactivated during the
winter of 2000-2001. David Ray Griffin recently wrote: “A
9/11 researcher, knowing that AA Flight 77 was a Boeing 757,
noticed that AA’s website indicated that its 757s do not
have passenger-seat phones. After he wrote to ask if that
had been the case on September 11, 2001, an AA customer
service representative replied: “That is correct; we do not
have phones on our Boeing 757. The passengers on flight 77
used their own personal cellular phones to make out-calls
during the terrorist attack.”30 Whether they actually were
deactivated in compliance with the order was nevertheless
disputed by 9/11 believers.

Which brings us back to the very strange roundabout way the AA airlines said "there is no record of etc etc"
AA Airlines spokesman explicitly denied airphones were used from their plane on 911 and said they could not have been used.

Of course perhaps AA was wrong.....but initially, at least, they said they had no airphones on that plane.

 

[Furcifer]

Thats the Illuminati for you. They aren't dumb.

You don't seriously believe the Illuminati still exist do you? Like Bush and Obama and all that? That's like saying there's a Santa Claus. Actually, there's more proof Santa exists.

 

[MikeW]

It appears at least that
1. Ted Olsen made a variety of specific claims first cell phone and then no credit card that appear not to be accurate.

Uh, no.

Olsen is only cited directly once in that quote.

Three days later, Ted Olson was on the Hannity and Colmes TV show and he said that Barbara had actually called the Department of Justice collect from the plane. He explained that she must have used the “airplane phone,” and she called collect because “she somehow didn’t have access to her credit cards.”

Here, however, is what he actually said on the show.

HUME: You don't know whether it was on a regular cell phone or one of those air phones?
OLSON: No, I don't. I first of all assumed that it must have been on the airplane phone, and that she somehow didn't have access to her credit cards. Otherwise, she would have used her cell phone and called me.

HUME: Of course.

OLSON: So I think that was probably what it was. But Barbara got through a second time. And we exchanged the feelings that a husband and wife who are extraordinarily close, as we are, those kind of sentiments. And she assured me everything was going to be OK. I told her in the first conversation that the two hijacked planes had hit the World Trade Center.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/911timeline/2001/foxnews091401.html

What I get here is uncertainty. He doesn't know, he's guessing. But that's inconvenient for the lying frauds who created the original document, so they've edited the context out for you.

Weird, really. I thought 9/11 truth was supposed to be about helping the families of the victims? Not if you need to **** on them for political reasons, though, right? In that case, family member or not, they can go **** themselves.

 

[MikeW]

Barbara Olson is shown as making one unconnected phone call to the Department of Justice.

Forget Dr Griffin's fictions, here's the reality.

The 9/11 Commission said this:

57. The records available for the phone calls from American 77 do not allow for a determination of which of four “connected calls to unknown numbers” represent the two between Barbara and Ted Olson, although the FBI and DOJ believe that all four represent communications between Barbara Olson and her husband’s office (all family members of the Flight 77 passengers and crew were canvassed to see if they had received any phone calls from the hijacked flight, and only Renee May’s parents and Ted Olson indicated that they had received such calls). The four calls were at 9:15:34 for 1 minute, 42 seconds; 9:20:15 for 4 minutes, 34 seconds; 9:25:48 for 2 minutes, 34 seconds; and 9:30:56 for 4 minutes, 20 seconds. FBI report,“American Airlines Airphone Usage,” Sept. 20, 2001; FBI report of investigation, interview of Theodore Olson, Sept. 11, 2001; FBI report of investigation, interview of Helen Voss, Sept. 14, 2001;AAL response to the Commission’s supplemental document request, Jan. 20, 2004.
Footnote 57 to Chapter 1, 9/11 Commission Report

So the position for the Commission was,

a) the phone records show “connected calls to unknown numbers”, but
b) investigations led the FBI to believe that these represent calls between Barbara Olson and Ted Olson's office

The position at the Moussaoui trial was this.

a) The phone records detailed in the Flash exhibit show “connected calls to unknown numbers”, all of which match the times mentioned by the Commission so we know they're the same ones

(hot-linked from my own site), however

b) a stipulation to the trial showed the government still believed (and the defence accepted) that Olson made four calls from the plane to her husband's office:

At 9:15 a.m. and at 9:26 a.m., Flight 77 passenger Barbara Olson called her husband, Ted Olson, and spoke to him for about one minute before the call was cut off. Barbara Olson reported that the flight had been hijacked by hijackers wielding knives and box cutters and that all the passengers were in the back of the plane.

At 9:20 a.m. and 9:31 a.m., Barbara Olson again called and spoke to her husband, Ted Olson. She reported that the pilot had announced that the flight had been hijacked. Ted Olson asked Barbara her location, and she replied that the plane was flying over houses. Ted Olson told his wife of the two previous hijackings and crashes.
http://cryptome.org/usa-v-zm-030706-02.htm

Griffin ignores both the full phone records and the stipulation so he can pretend that the Moussaoui trial represents some big change in the government's position on Olson's call, but this is garbage. There is no significant change at all: the calls haven't been rejected, their details were presented to the court just as they appeared elsewhere, previously.

 

[Cicero]

Why reinvent the wheel.

You made a particular claim that records from an airphone company for Ted Olsen and Flight AA77 have been presented at a trial.

Yet you are unable to back up your claim and simply hurl bizarre abuse.

Can anyone do any better?

Can you prove there are no AA FL77 air phones in this wreckage?

 

[TruthersLie]

I am waiting for the argument from incredulity based on the lack of any images of burned airphones at the pentagon in all of the images taken of the debris...

(hopefully I haven't given an idea to our resident no planers)

 

[Cicero]

I am waiting for the argument from incredulity based on the lack of any images of burned airphones at the pentagon in all of the images taken of the debris...

(hopefully I haven't given an idea to our resident no planers)

But wouldn't the Bush/Israel/Media 911 conspirators plant a singed air phone in the wreckage to be found by FAA to back up the Barbara Olsen air phone call? How could they miss this essential component when they "planted the perfectly clean and unblemished California ID card of Suzanne Calley, 42, one of the alleged victims killed aboard Flight 77" that Capt. Jim Ingledue, shift safety officer of the Virginia Beach Fire Dept found.

Not to mention "hijacker Al Suqami's planted unscathed passport found near ground zero."

 

[Bell]

(hopefully I haven't given an idea to our resident no planers)

When I (try to) do sarcasm, I wonder this myself sometimes. But then I think "what the hell" because no matter how crazy the **** that I make up, some truther will come along with something more crazy. This is the only case where fiction is crazier than truth.

 

[funk de fino]

Yes, well, when in the follow up email I pointed out the obvious logical fallacy and was asking for a specific denial that no access or oversight to the account had been given, they refused to give it, but instead threatened to close the email account (which they were welcome to do by that stage)

Good god, you fall for any old debunked nonsense.

The phone existed. Get over it.

 

[BenBurch]

Name the rules......

BTW, I have received infractions. In fact, Mr. Weick was banned from here, and he is very much not a truther.

I miss Mr. Weick a lot.

 

[little grey rabbit]

Forget Dr Griffin's fictions, here's the reality.

The 9/11 Commission said this:



So the position for the Commission was,

a) the phone records show “connected calls to unknown numbers”, but
b) investigations led the FBI to believe that these represent calls between Barbara Olson and Ted Olson's office

The position at the Moussaoui trial was this.

a) The phone records detailed in the Flash exhibit show “connected calls to unknown numbers”, all of which match the times mentioned by the Commission so we know they're the same ones

[qimg]http://911myths.com/images/thumb/b/b7/Aa77calls_unknown.png/800px-Aa77calls_unknown.png[/qimg]
(hot-linked from my own site), however

b) a stipulation to the trial showed the government still believed (and the defence accepted) that Olson made four calls from the plane to her husband's office:



Griffin ignores both the full phone records and the stipulation so he can pretend that the Moussaoui trial represents some big change in the government's position on Olson's call, but this is garbage. There is no significant change at all: the calls haven't been rejected, their details were presented to the court just as they appeared elsewhere, previously.

That is very nice, Mike, but it is just a multimedia presentation and a multimedia presentation that includes no facsimiles of documents. And the facsimiles of documents I have seen are not that impressive. There should be an enormous paper trail of logs that could document these calls - not least Ted Olson's phone bill (which ought to resolve his confusion of whether he received a collect call or not).

As it is the American Airlines spokesman initially stated that there were no working phones in AA77 and that the passengers must have used cell phones.

There is also a leaked page of manual stating this
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/AA757AMM.html
What they also say is

Work Order ECO-F0878 dated prior to above 757 AMM page could not be located.

This is quite significant. Illuminati will always attempt to conceal or destroy evidence where possible. They are hardly going to sit back while a bunch of people on the internet pull apart their criminal activities.

I have found that in my Holocaust researches, the silences and gaps in files are often as revealing as what they contain.

Why would this missing maintenance order have been destroyed?

 

[TJM]

They are hardly going to sit back while a bunch of people on the internet pull apart their criminal activities.

Yet you have this seemingly special immunity from us them.

 

[little grey rabbit]

Yet you have this seemingly special immunity from us them.

No I don't.

I am just not very dangerous.

 

[TJM]

Yet here you are, pulling apart our their criminal activities.

 

[little grey rabbit]

Yet here you are, pulling apart our their criminal activities.

As I said before, only Illuminati would bother spending time in a place like this.

Your their secrets are safe with me.

In a sense the actual details like 911 or the Hoax are only of marginal interest. What is of essential interest is what is philosophy, motivation and psychology of the Illuminati.

They seem to be marching to the beat of a very very strange drum.

 

[TJM]

That's the beautiful thing about illuminatti - They'll march to whatever drum you can imagine.