Teacher fired for being domestic abuse victim.

[Foolmewunz]

Huh. Actually, that story strikes me as being substantially less damning.

First, the school put her on paid leave. Which totally makes sense. And is pretty generous.

Then, when it becomes clear that the issue will not have any kind of timely resolution, that's when the school decides not to continue her employment. It's not her fault that a problem beyond her control puts the school at risk. But it is her problem. The school administration has more people to worry about than just her. And it's not the school's responsibility to accept the consequences of the personal problems of everyone--or anyone--they might happen to employ.

I mean, "you hired me, now you have to put up with the domestic abuser that ignores court orders and stalks me everywhere--including your place of business, where parents have entrusted you with their children".

It's hardly a compelling argument. It's not the school's fault--and frankly, it's not the school's problem--that the wheels of justice grind exceedingly slow for this woman. They did what they could, and then cut their losses. If anything, this is the abusive husband's fault.

ETA: Also, I don't think that domestic abuse victims are actually ever told to assert an entitlement to free association with people or organizations who don't want to also associate with their abuser.

The article is no more or no less damning. It is, once again, an opinion or a decision based on an opinion as to whether or not one chooses to agree with their action.

I do not. I think their decision is reprehensible. Based on exactly the same facts you're reading.

You do. TrueThat does. Got it.

But there's no "factual evidence". It is a morality issue. The "think of the other people's rights" crowd are going to side with the school. the "whoa, does this mean that every victim has to quit their job if there's a family member or former/current spouse who could possibly injure third parties has to resign" crowd are going to side with the teacher.

We can discuss it. We cannot offer evidence to support morality or one's perception of what represents morality, so Shemp's probably right and this thread could go on for a hundred pages.

 

[GlennB]

removed

 

[Noztradamus]

Do you have kids? She should have quit and took her kids out of the school. Any decent person would not put all those other children at risk because your husband is a nut job.

I do feel for the woman but jeez what's to stop him from trying to get revenge on her by going in and shooting up a school?

If he's that crazy, he's just as likely to shoot up the school as an act of revenge because she went into hiding.

 

[lionking]

If he's that crazy, he's just as likely to shoot up the school as an act of revenge because she went into hiding.

This is a point truethat and theprestige seem to ignore.

I also like to think that schools should set standards, and not respond to situations with cowardly legalese, but with understanding and compassion. If I were a parent with kids at this school, I'd withdraw them.

 

[Nessie]

This is a point truethat and theprestige seem to ignore.

I also like to think that schools should set standards, and not respond to situations with cowardly legalese, but with understanding and compassion. If I were a parent with kids at this school, I'd withdraw them.

I agree and think the way the school has behaved shows that if something happened to me or my kids, through no fault of our own, they would turn their back on us.

 

[truethat]

Huh. Actually, that story strikes me as being substantially less damning.

First, the school put her on paid leave. Which totally makes sense. And is pretty generous.

Then, when it becomes clear that the issue will not have any kind of timely resolution, that's when the school decides not to continue her employment. It's not her fault that a problem beyond her control puts the school at risk. But it is her problem. The school administration has more people to worry about than just her. And it's not the school's responsibility to accept the consequences of the personal problems of everyone--or anyone--they might happen to employ.

I mean, "you hired me, now you have to put up with the domestic abuser that ignores court orders and stalks me everywhere--including your place of business, where parents have entrusted you with their children".

It's hardly a compelling argument. It's not the school's fault--and frankly, it's not the school's problem--that the wheels of justice grind exceedingly slow for this woman. They did what they could, and then cut their losses. If anything, this is the abusive husband's fault.

ETA: Also, I don't think that domestic abuse victims are actually ever told to assert an entitlement to free association with people or organizations who don't want to also associate with their abuser.

I agree with this. In reading through the comments I see now that BECAUSE the school is a religious school people are deciding to toss common sense out the window just because they like to snark on religion. I bet if the situation was about a woman who was married to someone in the West Boro Baptist church and that person kept coming to the school with signs and whatnot and they fired her for it, people would be applauding.

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. This guy sounds like a real piece of work and yet the woman was dumb enough to marry him and have kids with him.

It's not her fault of course that he does these kinds of actions. But it is what it is.

I suppose everyone else's solution is that the entire school should make this woman their priority. We've seen "they should hire a neighborhood watch." Let's see, they should tell all the parents that if they can't support this woman then they should take their kiddies out and go home and make a stand of solidarity with this poor poor victim.

Right

I think it's perfectly acceptable for the teacher to sue for wrongful termination and to allow the school insurance to pay the woman off. Fine. But this guy needs to be kept as far away from the school as possible. And if she's the draw then she needs to go.

The alternatives being suggested here are ridiculous. The school should go on lockdown? My sister's school went on lockdown yesterday because a drug addict robbed a pharmacy down the street from the school and fled armed. Not even on school property. When the news reported it, half the parents fled to the school and pulled their kid out. So it's ok to have this level of disruption because one person needs help? I agree that it would have been nice of them to try to help her in other ways, but it does seem that they tried to work with her in some ways.

 

[truethat]

double post and nvm

 

[lionking]

In reading through the comments I see now that BECAUSE the school is a religious school people are deciding to toss common sense out the window just because they like to snark on religion.

Evidence? I, and I'm sure most other people posting here, would hold exactly the same opinion if it were a non-religious school.

 

[commandlinegamer]

if she's the draw then she needs to go.

Quite right.

She better also stay away from any supermarket, cinema/theatre, rock concert, shopping mall, etc, etc. #thinkofthechildren

In fact, how dare she not travel immediately to a deserted island in the South Seas to avoid endangering others?

 

[lionking]

Quite right.

She better also stay away from any supermarket, cinema/theatre, rock concert, shopping mall, etc, etc. #thinkofthechildren

In fact, how dare she not travel immediately to a deserted island in the South Seas to avoid endangering others?

Absolutely. Anyone threatened with family violence should really do themselves in to protect others. Think of the children indeed.

 

[DreamingNaiad]

I agree with this. In reading through the comments I see now that BECAUSE the school is a religious school people are deciding to toss common sense out the window just because they like to snark on religion. I bet if the situation was about a woman who was married to someone in the West Boro Baptist church and that person kept coming to the school with signs and whatnot and they fired her for it, people would be applauding.

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. This guy sounds like a real piece of work and yet the woman was dumb enough to marry him and have kids with him.

It's not her fault of course that he does these kinds of actions. But it is what it is.

I suppose everyone else's solution is that the entire school should make this woman their priority. We've seen "they should hire a neighborhood watch." Let's see, they should tell all the parents that if they can't support this woman then they should take their kiddies out and go home and make a stand of solidarity with this poor poor victim.

Right

I think it's perfectly acceptable for the teacher to sue for wrongful termination and to allow the school insurance to pay the woman off. Fine. But this guy needs to be kept as far away from the school as possible. And if she's the draw then she needs to go.

The alternatives being suggested here are ridiculous. The school should go on lockdown? My sister's school went on lockdown yesterday because a drug addict robbed a pharmacy down the street from the school and fled armed. Not even on school property. When the news reported it, half the parents fled to the school and pulled their kid out. So it's ok to have this level of disruption because one person needs help? I agree that it would have been nice of them to try to help her in other ways, but it does seem that they tried to work with her in some ways.

Out of curiosity, where the hell do you think she should go? By your logic any school she teaches at or her children attend is perfectly ok to kick them all out because of the criminal acts of another. Should she homeschool her kids in a cave because it's the "decent" thing to do? No wait, they should go into hiding! Funded by gold bars from magical wish fairies, right?

Your assertion that anyone who disagrees with you is just bashing religion and would agree with you if it was a normal school is baffling. Where the heck did you get that from?

The person who is breaking the law needs to be punished. This woman and her children are not guilty by association, they are victims. You can't claim you're not blaming them and punish them at the same time. It's sick.

You wouldn't kick out the relatives of dead soldiers if the WBC turned up and you wouldn't kick out non-white staff and kids if the KKK turned up so why would you kick these people out because an ex showed up?

 

[lionking]

My sister's school went on lockdown yesterday because a drug addict robbed a pharmacy down the street from the school and fled armed. Not even on school property. When the news reported it, half the parents fled to the school and pulled their kid out.

Evidence of this too. It must have been in the news somewhere.

 

[Foolmewunz]

I agree with this. In reading through the comments I see now that BECAUSE the school is a religious school people are deciding to toss common sense out the window just because they like to snark on religion. I bet if the situation was about a woman who was married to someone in the West Boro Baptist church and that person kept coming to the school with signs and whatnot and they fired her for it, people would be applauding.

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. This guy sounds like a real piece of work and yet the woman was dumb enough to marry him and have kids with him.
It's not her fault of course that he does these kinds of actions. But it is what it is.

I suppose everyone else's solution is that the entire school should make this woman their priority. We've seen "they should hire a neighborhood watch." Let's see, they should tell all the parents that if they can't support this woman then they should take their kiddies out and go home and make a stand of solidarity with this poor poor victim.
Right

I think it's perfectly acceptable for the teacher to sue for wrongful termination and to allow the school insurance to pay the woman off. Fine. But this guy needs to be kept as far away from the school as possible. And if she's the draw then she needs to go.

The alternatives being suggested here are ridiculous. The school should go on lockdown? My sister's school went on lockdown yesterday because a drug addict robbed a pharmacy down the street from the school and fled armed. Not even on school property. When the news reported it, half the parents fled to the school and pulled their kid out. So it's ok to have this level of disruption because one person needs help? I agree that it would have been nice of them to try to help her in other ways, but it does seem that they tried to work with her in some ways.

Straw for sale. Getcher fresh straw. Can't build a fallacious argument without.... Straw for Sale.

No, no one who's in the main flow of this discussion is bashing religion. Nice try at muddying the waters, though.

We don't know if she's a fundie - she may well be, so the Westboro straw won't take.

And "Neighborhood Watch" was mentioned in the same paragraph with local police and school security, e.g. it's a known institution in many communities and they may just have one. No one said "start a neighborhood watch", nor "bring out the Guard", nor "Vigilantes, getcher guns".

And,... no one recommended locking down the school. It WAS locked down. That was their reaction when the guy was in the parking lot. In view of an unknown danger, it was likely a good reaction.

Hilited parts = victim blaming.

'Tis a slippery slope you're heading down, TrueThat.

 

[TragicMonkey]

Absolutely. Anyone threatened with family violence should really do themselves in to protect others. Think of the children indeed.

Don't forget the school kicked out the kids, too. Those kids are also a threat, to any school they go to. Really, to save other children from the potential threat their mother's ex might hypothetically cause, those kids should be locked up in prison. Or put to sleep. Either one. For the children!

 

[lionking]

Don't forget the school kicked out the kids, too. Those kids are also a threat, to any school they go to. Really, to save other children from the potential threat their mother's ex might hypothetically cause, those kids should be locked up in prison. Or put to sleep. Either one. For the children!

Good point. What a delinquent mother!

 

[Bob001]

Maybe the most significant sentence in the story is this:

A 2011 study by Legal Aid Society-Employment Law Center shows Charlesworth isn’t alone: Nearly 40 percent of survivors in California reported being fired or feared termination because of domestic violence.

So women are supposed to endure abuse and violence to keep their jobs? That makes the employer an enabler of the abuser. In this case the school could and should have supported their long-term employee, maybe by working with the cops and the courts to ensure that the husband would go straight to jail if he showed up at the school. Instead, this diocese threw the mother and her four kids to the wolf at a time when she most needed its help.

 

[Dancing David]

A San Diego Catholic school teacher has lost her job and her children no longer allowed to attend the school after informing the schools principal of domestic abuse issues with her ex-husband and warning to be on the lookout for him.

He showed up in the parking lot of the school the following day and the school went on lockdown before he was arrested on multiple felony charges.

The schools official stance is that Charlesworth's ex-husband makes her too much of a liability for the school where she has taught for 14 years.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/loc...-cajon-san-diego-teacher-fired-211244611.html

god damned ************* piss ass sons and daughters of stupid ass administrators

 

[Dancing David]

Maybe the most significant sentence in the story is this:


So women are supposed to endure abuse and violence to keep their jobs? That makes the employer an enabler of the abuser. In this case the school could and should have supported their long-term employee, maybe by working with the cops and the courts to ensure that the husband would go straight to jail if he showed up at the school. Instead, this diocese threw the mother and her four kids to the wolf at a time when she most needed its help.

A lot of those would be terminated for absences at work, the consequence of a victim being beaten or not sleeping for two days.

 

[TragicMonkey]

Good point. What a delinquent mother!

No, no, it's the children who are to blame, for bringing imagined hypothetical risk to other children. Bad children!

 

[truethat]

Quite right.

She better also stay away from any supermarket, cinema/theatre, rock concert, shopping mall, etc, etc. #thinkofthechildren

In fact, how dare she not travel immediately to a deserted island in the South Seas to avoid endangering others?

Oh please, more with ridiculous exaggeration. Why do people have such a hard time discussing the actual facts in a situation and feel the need to constantly build strawmen.

In a school situation the school will go on LOCKDOWN whenever he shows up. This is not what is going to happen elsewhere.

It has to do with the school knowing the situation and having to put protections in place due to liability of the school and the needs of the children and parents in the school.