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Tea Party Convention

King of the Americas

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I just finished watching the end of the Tea Party Convention...

Joseph Farrah was the keynote speaker tonight.

After railing on about the absence of President Obama's birth certificate, he went on to talk about how our country needs to return to the Bible, and follow Christ's teachings.

C-span is asking if the Tea Party is a viable 3rd Party...

I say, "No."

However, I HOPE that they 'gain' momentum. I consider myself a progressive leaning independent, and feel that any 'right' leaning 3rd party could only help the Democrats.

So, Republicans...are you at all threatened by a viable Tea Party?
 
I'm going to say that a tea party may actually be good for the Republicans. The republican party has allowed themselves to be swayed way too heavily by wackadoodles, especially on social conservative issues.

I say, let the tea party take the loons, and let the republicans re affirm their base as a fiscal conservative, strong on national defense, and strong on personal liberty. If they moved that way, I think the democratic party would loose a lot of their moderate supporters.
 
How about the democrats unload the 61% of thier members who thought at one time or another that 9/11 was an inside job?

Unless the democrats undergo a similar split, the idea that a republican split would be good for GOP is just as insane.
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
How about the democrats unload the 61% of thier members who thought at one time or another that 9/11 was an inside job?

Unless the democrats undergo a similar split, the idea that a republican split would be good for GOP is just as insane.
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If the GOP captures more moderates, then yes. I do think it will be good for them.

What % of the GOP represents teabaggers?
What % of of dems and swing voters are moderates with fiscal conservative leanings?
If category B> category A, then it would be good for the GOP.
 
joobz said:
I'm going to say that a tea party may actually be good for the Republicans. The republican party has allowed themselves to be swayed way too heavily by wackadoodles, especially on social conservative issues.

I say, let the tea party take the loons, and let the republicans re affirm their base as a fiscal conservative, strong on national defense, and strong on personal liberty. If they moved that way, I think the democratic party would loose a lot of their moderate supporters.
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The Tea Partiers I have spoken to are ALL ultra-conservatives, that speak of returning America back to "the good'ol days", a more Godly country, with less socialism...

How many Tea Party voters would have otherwise voted for Democrats, if the Tea Party didn't exist?
 
King of the Americas said:
The Tea Partiers I have spoken to are ALL ultra-conservatives, that speak of returning America back to "the good'ol days", a more Godly country, with less socialism...

How many Tea Party voters would have otherwise voted for Democrats, if the Tea Party didn't exist?
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They are ultra conservative, and I think have pulled the republican party towards more social conservative stances than it would have otherwise.

If the GOP culled them off, they could focus on their more defendable arguments, and attract more moderate voters away from dems.
 
I just don't understand the mentality that causes them (or anyone else!) to announce that they want to field a candidate that will supposedly represent all Americans yet state explicitly that everyone needs to return to the bible and follow Christ's teachings. Somehow such a message tells me that they aren't interested in representing everyone.
 
joobz said:
They are ultra conservative, and I think have pulled the republican party towards more social conservative stances than it would have otherwise.

If the GOP culled them off, they could focus on their more defendable arguments, and attract more moderate voters away from dems.
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How many Tea Party voters would have otherwise voted for Democrats, if the Tea Party didn't exist?

*I fail to see how making the GOP more conservative is going to win the middle away from the Democrats...
 
King of the Americas said:
How many Tea Party voters would have otherwise voted for Democrats, if the Tea Party didn't exist?

*I fail to see how making the GOP more conservative is going to win the middle away from the Democrats...
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That's the point joobz is making. Joobz wants the Republicans to cut the wingnuts off and fight for moderate Dem voters.
 
King of the Americas said:
So, Republicans...are you at all threatened by a viable Tea Party?
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Are democrats threatened by angry hard lefties who feel betrayed by Obamas failure thus far to deliver what they feel they've been promised?

Controversial liberal filmmaker Michael Moore on Tuesday issued a warning to Democrats who have been cool to President Barack Obama’s call for meaningful health care reform: Get on board or prepare to lose your seat.

“To the Democrats in Congress who don’t quite get it: I want to offer a personal pledge. I – and a lot of other people – have every intention of removing you from Congress in the next election if you stand in the way of health care legislation that the people want,” Moore told supporters of women’s groups and unions gathered at the headquarters of the government watchdog group Public Citizen. “That is not a hollow or idle threat. We will come to your district and we will work against you, first in the primary and, if we have to, in the general election.”
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Sword_Of_Truth said:
Are democrats threatened by angry hard lefties who feel betrayed by Obama's failure thus far to deliver what they feel they've been promised?
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I'm not, not that I necessarily consider myself a Democrat -- I'm more like an Independent (as my registration states) whose viable voting choices seem to be currently locked to one side. Most of those people you speak of are either unrealistic, impatient, or cynically trying to stir things up in their direction. But they're still onboard with the promised direction of the Democratic Party. They're working within the system. The Tea Party folks on the other hand seem altogether upset with the Republicans on every level while simultaneously considering Democrats and those who have allied with them -- the people they hope to sway -- to be traitors. What do they think they're going to gain?
 
I could be swayed if the GOP dropped the social conservative/anti science bent.
 
joobz said:
I could be swayed if the GOP dropped the social conservative/anti science bent.
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...hummm...

But then it wouldn't be the GOP, so yeah. I could support lower taxes, smaller government, and fiscal conservatism...

Eliminate, "bringing the Bible back into public school", "pro-lifers", "democracy at gun point", "anti-immigration", "opposition to universal health care", "denial of man-made global climate change", then YES I'd jump aboard.
 
King of the Americas said:
'I' am one of those "angry hard leftists", but I wouldn't swing to the 'right' because of Democratic impudence... Green Party, maybe...but definitely NOT GOP...
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And that, my friend, is probably giving the democrats nightmares.

That was what cost Al Gore Florida in 2000. Disaffected hard lefties went for Ralph Nader and it only took a few hundred to throw the election to Bush.

If the Green/Nader vote went to Gore, the last eight years would never have happened (9/11 would still have happened, but Gore would have surrendered to Bin Laden and we'd have had 6+ years of adjustment time to life under the Islamic Caliphate behind us by now).

Obama has until November 2012 to turn the United States into an island in the Gulag Archipelago or else it could happen again.
 
joobz said:
I could be swayed if the GOP dropped the social conservative/anti science bent.
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Good luck with that. The "social conservative/anti science bent" defines the current Republican party. I can't help but smile when I read Republicans on this forum think a pro-choice, non homophobe, evolution believer has a shot at party leadership.
 
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