TAM X - Singles n' Singles

You’re right, as a “single” person attending an event, part of the challenge is figuring out how to meet people. The thing is, that regardless of my willingness to talk to strangers, there are many other factors that play into how successful I will be.

The problem I have with your statement is that it makes a lot of assumptions. For example, you assume that everyone else is there to meet people as well. Take the bar for example. Sometimes people just go there to hang out with their friends, not to get approached by everyone else.

The same could be said for any event. Just because there are large numbers of people, doesn’t automatically mean everyone is interested in hanging out with people they don’t know.

Yes, when I attended TAM 8 there were some rude people. Being a skeptic doesn't automatically make a person nice...people are people.

And of course there is an intimidation factor. The last thing anyone wants is to find themselves in the middle of a topic where they have nothing of value to add. Meeting people can be intimidating at the best of times, let alone standing around awkwardly as others discuss something you know nothing about.

However, you assume that there are only those reasons why talking to people at an event is hard. In my experience there are a lot of other reasons. For example:

- Not everyone is there to meet others. Some people are there with their friends or partners, and they have their own goals and agendas.

- For some, this is a once a year opportunity to interact with people they know through other means, and the last thing they want is some random person tagging along.

- Some people are simply not approachable. It’s not likely that I’m going to walk up to Richard Dawkins and 45 minutes later find myself giving him a high five while we watch the Treasure Island pirate show.

I’m sure there are more, but the point is that because there are a lot of different reasons why people are there, it can be frustrating and time consuming to find people to hang out with.


Well, one option is exactly what I'm trying to do here. Attempt to find people in a similar situation, and arrange a meeting. This greatly improves the probability that you'll find someone to talk to, and/or hang out with because you aren't forced to try to work your way into groups of people.

I'm not sure I understand. The whole point is that people may form into groups. The entire point is that meeting other "singles" opens up opportunity for those people to have a group of people to hang out with.

The fact is that many of us attend TAM because in addition to learning awesome stuff, it is the one opportunity to meet people that many of us simply don’t have access to in our daily lives. Attending TAM alone can be a frustrating and intimidating experience. Nothing is worse than spending four days with 1700 like minded people, yet coming away from it feeling like you didn’t meet anyone.

I’ll be honest here. I don’t really understand why some of you are questioning this idea. Without trying to sound like a jerk, some of the replies in this thread are exactly the reasons why it can be hard to meet people at events like TAM.


Could you please provide examples?

If TAM does more than you’ve ever seen from a conference to welcome, it would be great if you could point me to examples of this.


First of all, I have to say that I have nothing against organizing a singles' gathering at TAM. I think all the informal get-togethers that get organized around TAM are great--they can be a lot of fun, a great way to meet people, and add a lot to the whole TAM experience.

I'm sorry to hear that you had bad experiences trying to meet people at TAM 8. That is different from my own experience at two TAMs (8 and 9).

Having said that, a few points:

You are right in saying that, as in any gathering, there are people who are not out to meet others, who would prefer to stay with their own group. That's inevitable.

My point in my earlier post, however, was that I think that at TAM these are a small minority. Virtually everyone I've met at TAM has been open, friendly, and willing to chat and get to know new people. But of course you need to talk to them first to find this out. And you can't just sit in a corner and hope they come up and talk to you. If they turn out not to be nice and friendly when you say hi, just move on.

With regards to your point about finding yourself in a conversation where you have nothing of value to add, you said, "Meeting people can be intimidating at the best of times, let alone standing around awkwardly as others discuss something you know nothing about." I prefer to think of listening to a conversation like that as a learning opportunity. If I don't understand something, I see if there is an opportunity to ask a question.

One final small point--you mentioned going up to talk to Richard Dawkins as an example (I know you were just making a point mentioning him). Well, I'd say if one of your objectives for going to TAM is to meet some of the speakers and other VIPs (and for many TAM attendees this is a goal), you're not very likely to do that at a singles' gathering. I met and shook hands with Richard Dawkins at the Skeptics in the Pub (or Drinking Skeptically--I can't keep them straight :D) night at TAM 8, with a large group of people at the bar. Many VIPs do make themselves accessible at conferences like TAM, but they are not going to come up and chat with you--you have to take the initiative.

Again, I don't want to suggest I think a singles' meet-up at TAM is a bad idea (and I hope I am not sounding preachy--that is not the intent), but just to say that there are many other, maybe better, ways to meet people there.
 
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AdMan,

No, you're not sounding preachy or anything. I just feel that it's more logical for the single/solo people attending TAM to meet than to randomly "work the crowd" hoping to find people that are open to the idea of chatting/hanging out.

I'm not suggesting anyone stand in a corner and say nothing. You get out of it what you put in, but when you meet with a group of people that you know are in a similar situation, you're much more likely find opportunity than you would otherwise.

And yes...I completely admit that the reason I'm suggesting singles (not involved with someone) meet as well, is because there are many of us out there who would love an opportunity to meet someone with similar mindset. There is no guarantee obviously, but it really improves the chances...and who knows.

I just want to create a situation that eliminates some of the difficulty in finding people at TAM. A group where everyone knows that everyone else is in a similar situation, so you don't feel awkward about suggesting things to do. A group where there is potential to meet that special someone (an almost impossible task with 1700 people you don't know), and where you don't have to feel like you're intruding on anyone else's plans or experience.
 
I'd estimate that at any given time in the Del Mar lounge, 90% of the people there are at TAM as a single. Whether they have a SO back home is another question. But for those 4-5 days, they are single.
 
I have created a Facebook event page for TAM Solo!

http://www.facebook.com/events/102153403252117/

Please let anyone who is a first timer, single, or attending solo know about this event. If you would just like to come out and make new people feel welcome, that would be awesome as well!

P.S. I am open to suggestions as well. So if any of you TAM veterans know of anything that will make this experience awesome, then please let me know.
 
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Could you please provide examples?

If TAM does more than you’ve ever seen from a conference to welcome, it would be great if you could point me to examples of this.

Tons.

But before I do, can I ask what you were hoping for? What did you want to happen to help you meet new people? That might guide the rest of us in being able to point you where you want to go.

As for the bar -- yes, in the real world, not everyone in the bar is there to meet people. What we're saying is that at TAM in the Del-Mar, almost everyone is there to interact with people: old friend, new friends, and affable strangers. There may be an occasional outlier, but if you encounter one of those (and in six years I never have) you just move on.

Take a chance and sit down with a group. If they are not talking about something that interests you or you can contribute to, excuse yourself and sit somewhere else.
 
Tons.

But before I do, can I ask what you were hoping for? What did you want to happen to help you meet new people? That might guide the rest of us in being able to point you where you want to go.

As for the bar -- yes, in the real world, not everyone in the bar is there to meet people. What we're saying is that at TAM in the Del-Mar, almost everyone is there to interact with people: old friend, new friends, and affable strangers. There may be an occasional outlier, but if you encounter one of those (and in six years I never have) you just move on.

Take a chance and sit down with a group. If they are not talking about something that interests you or you can contribute to, excuse yourself and sit somewhere else.

Sure,

Well, TAM is the worlds largest gathering of skeptics that I am aware of. As someone who spends a lot of time surrounded by people who don't even know how to spell critical thinking, it would be amazing to be able to meet people that that could be friends for life, and perhaps even find that special someone. I would also like the opportunity to have people to hang out with at TAM, without being a bother or an imposition.

(This of course is in addition to what TAM is for...the talks, the workshops etc.)

As for Del Mar, I went there at TAM 8. I ran into the hosts of The Reality Check and talked with them a while, and it was awesome. However, because they were there with each other and their wives, it was the last I saw of them the entire time. Del Mar is fine, but lets be honest...it's a bar. Not everyone is comfortable with being in a bar and trying to talk to people. I'm not saying that it isn't an option, but I would like to arrange something a little more concrete than just, "Show up at Del Mar, and hope you run into someone."

That seems like a difficult way to meet others in the same situation.

Your ideas are totally fine, the issue I have with them is that it requires a bunch of trial and error. I did that the first time and after a while my friend and I just opted to go shopping because it was too time consuming and frustrating to "work the crowd."

Again, I'm not saying those aren't options, but it just seems like the most inefficient way of finding others in a similar situation.
 
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Your ideas are totally fine, the issue I have with them is that it requires a bunch of trial and error. I did that the first time and after a while my friend and I just opted to go shopping because it was too time consuming and frustrating to "work the crowd."


Well, I will check out and may decide to attend your event, but "trial and error" is really the way all of us meet people and make meaningful connections. Thinking that is too time consuming and frustrating and deciding that leaving to go shopping is more appealing may not be the best approach if you're honestly trying to meet people. Just saying. ;)
 
I think the First TAMmer buttons would work better if it is mentioned in the packet or between presentations- specifically to request veterans to engage those with pins, and if someone is shy to pick one up anyway. Make it a signal of "I'm open to conversation".

At my first TAM I didn't get involved in the social scene much, so when I came in the second time I took a First(ish) TAMmer pin and a few people engaged me.
 
Well, I will check out and may decide to attend your event, but "trial and error" is really the way all of us meet people and make meaningful connections. Thinking that is too time consuming and frustrating and deciding that leaving to go shopping is more appealing may not be the best approach if you're honestly trying to meet people. Just saying. ;)

Let me ask you a question. Say you were trying to find a date for a Christmas party. Would you put on your best shirt, hit the bars and chat up everyone in the place, hoping that you'll come across one that is single, available, in to you, and has a similar world view?

Or, would you perhaps try to improve your chances by asking your friends, putting a message out on Facebook, or starting up an online dating account?

Of course there is an element of trial and error in meeting people, but I'm not undstanding why everyone who is single, solo, or new would opt to wander around TAM with a button on, hoping to run into others who are sympathetic to thier situation?

The reason my friend and I went shopping is because we weren't desperate to meet someone. There is only so much you can do before you realize you ae wasting other opportunities.

I was lucky that I had my friend with me, and had the option to go shopping. What about all those people that don't? What about those who are new to TAM, or skepticism that don't have the opportunity? Does anyone think of those people who are hiding in their rooms because they aren't confident enough, or comfortable enough to take the "trial and error" approach?

I don't think it's fair to just say, "well, guess you didn't want to meet people that badly" there are a lot of social, and emotional factors that come with trying to meet new people. Not everyone has the ability, or patience to sit in a smoky bar and attempt to start up conversations.

Giving people an opportunity to meet others in a similar situation could mean the difference between an experience of a lifetime, and feeling like it was a giant waste.
 
Sign up for what? How will you differentiate who is standing around in the bar as part of your group, and who is standing around in the bar who isn't?

Just curious. :)

The Facebook event i posted a few posts back. One solution is to not meet in the bar.

If say everyone agreed to meet at 9:00am outside the sushi bar, that might solve that issue no?
 
I think the First TAMmer buttons would work better if it is mentioned in the packet or between presentations- specifically to request veterans to engage those with pins, and if someone is shy to pick one up anyway. Make it a signal of "I'm open to conversation".

At my first TAM I didn't get involved in the social scene much, so when I came in the second time I took a First(ish) TAMmer pin and a few people engaged me.

The reason I'm not a fan of the buttons is that i personally feel it takes people put of their comfort zone. Yes, people want to meet others and feel included, but thy don't want to stand out like a sore thumb.

The concept is cool, but I don't think it's the right solution. I said the first year that I attended TAM that of they trulty wanted to welcome new people to the skeptical movement, they would hold a workshop/meeting for singles, first timers, and solo's.

If you think about how churches work, they typically do everything possible to make people feel welcome (annoyingly so at times). Walking into a new situation, where you don't know anyone, and the group of people are some of the smartest in the world, can be hard for many.

I remember attending Oxford skeptics in the pub, and I sat in the back and sank into my seat because I felt like the most uneducated person in the room. I didn't want to say anything stupid around a group of people who pride themselves on pointing out flaws in logic.

Anyway, the buttons are cool, but again, why? Why not just tell people who are new, single, or solo, to all meet up?

"wow, this is pretty cool huh?
"ya, I didn't know what to expect, but it's pretty fun"
"hey, there is this Del Mar place, wanna go check it out?"
"sure, sounds cool."
 
I am married, not attending, but would love to meet most of you. But I don't think I'm terribly welcome at TAM.
 
The reason I'm not a fan of the buttons is that i personally feel it takes people put of their comfort zone. Yes, people want to meet others and feel included, but thy don't want to stand out like a sore thumb.

The concept is cool, but I don't think it's the right solution. I said the first year that I attended TAM that of they trulty wanted to welcome new people to the skeptical movement, they would hold a workshop/meeting for singles, first timers, and solo's.

If you think about how churches work, they typically do everything possible to make people feel welcome (annoyingly so at times). Walking into a new situation, where you don't know anyone, and the group of people are some of the smartest in the world, can be hard for many.

I remember attending Oxford skeptics in the pub, and I sat in the back and sank into my seat because I felt like the most uneducated person in the room. I didn't want to say anything stupid around a group of people who pride themselves on pointing out flaws in logic.

Anyway, the buttons are cool, but again, why? Why not just tell people who are new, single, or solo, to all meet up?

"wow, this is pretty cool huh?
"ya, I didn't know what to expect, but it's pretty fun"
"hey, there is this Del Mar place, wanna go check it out?"
"sure, sounds cool."

In any New Friends situation, someone has to make the first move or the whole thing would be a middle school dance. One choice is to just go up to someone and ask to join them. Another is to have some sort of signal to others that you are open to conversation. I can't think of a third option.
 
In any New Friends situation, someone has to make the first move or the whole thing would be a middle school dance. One choice is to just go up to someone and ask to join them. Another is to have some sort of signal to others that you are open to conversation. I can't think of a third option.

Hmmm, what if...you made a Facebook event where others who were in a similar situation, had an easy way of finding each other? :D

That's kind of a signal no?

For example, one person has already confirmed they're interested. I don't know this person, but it already makes the whole idea of TAM seem much better. Now I know there is a person who is in the same situation as I am, and the potential to have a cool person to hang out with just jumped 100%.
 
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I understand your frustrations as I was in a similar situation. I attended TAM 6 entirely by myself. I did know a couple of people from back home a little and I chatted with and met a few lovely skeptics. But for the most part I flew well under the radar and kept my mouth shut.

It's easy for people with oodles of confidence to say "just talk to people" but for those of us hugely lacking in self confidence, it's not that simple. Most people at TAM are certainly friendly and welcoming but when enthralled in conversation with their friends the thought of "I should go talk to that strange, shy girl cowering in the corner" is not really a thought that comes to mind.

What I found helped was to go to an extracurricular planned event (I went on the roller coaster excursion) and it was easier to interact with a smaller group of people. So I agree that your event is a great idea.

It wasn't until TAM 7 when I attended with my sister that I was able to suck it up and meet and interact with more people. I now consider many of them to be dear friends although I only see them once a year. But I know that even this year I will scan the tables at the Del Mar for people I know to sit with as the prospect of interjecting myself at a table full of strangers is still much too daunting.

I will sign up for your event and look forward to it.
 

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