TAM 2011 WTC 7 debate

[LashL]

Please, stick to the subject matter of the thread, folks.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: LashL

 

[Walter Ego]

TAM seems to be a gathering of distinguished people, so I have to ask: Are you a distinguished person?

If not, why would you expect to be received in that forum when the audience is paying to see distinguished people?

He's very distinguished. You can tell by this video he made.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

How dare you call this man "pathetic and childish"!

Someone needs to learn "basic dental hygiene" before he starts on more advanced concepts like "physics".

 

[Walter Ego]

omeone needs to learn "basic dental hygiene" before he starts on more advanced concepts like "physics".

He sneers nicely, though.

 

[The Big Dog]

He sneers nicely, though.

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Who is that? Rarely do I agree with You Tubey posters but that is indeed the dumbest video in the internet.

Cripes, that was mind bogglingly inane.

 

[Walter Ego]

Who is that?

Michael Fullerton aka cmatrix. Here's another screen grab from the video. Charming, huh? Hard to believe that list of distinguished scientists, authors and media celebrities he gave would decline to debate him, isn't it?

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

No sane competent scientist would ever engage me in a debate on this because the official story on WTC 7is indeed complete crackpot faith-based pseudo-science garbage.

When you demand a debate and then pledge not to show up in the same breath, the lack of positive response has little to do with your ignorance and incompetence.

The CD theory I support is indeed the most scientific theory available for the WTC 7 collapse.

Short version: Explosive charge --> steel girder --> foundation --> bedrock --> seismograph

There is an unbroken chain of direct physical contact between each of these items and materials yet the seismographs in Manhattan and at Columbia University picked up exactly zero explosive signatures.

Shorter version: CD theory violates laws of physics.

 

[Sherman Bay]

I LOVE Neil Tyson! Always enjoy him on The Daily Show. Incredibly entertaining. Incredibly funny. And INNCCRREEDDIIBBLLYY intelligent!

Amazing what can be done with only 1% more DNA than your average chimp.

 

[oody]

The video is of course a parody. Just to be fair, I scanned his youtube channel to see if I could find a sample of the more serious sort of presentation he is offering to bring to T.A.M., but sadly I could find none --- Only similar character portrayals of how he perceives his opposition on alternate topics. My suggestion to him would be to work up a more serious presentation with a more serious motif to place alongside the parodies. The contrast alongside his 'real' persona would lend the parodies more weight as well.

 

[The Big Dog]

The video is of course a parody. Just to be fair, I scanned his youtube channel to see if I could find a sample of the more serious sort of presentation he is offering to bring to T.A.M., but sadly I could find none --- Only similar character portrayals of how he perceives his opposition on alternate topics. My suggestion to him would be to work up a more serious presentation with a more serious motif to place alongside the parodies. The contrast alongside his 'real' persona would lend the parodies more weight as well.

Parodies? The guys has four videos up that consist solely of seventh grade level insults and virulent homophobia.

And this guy thinks that anyone would take him seriously at a debate?

What a sad pathetic channel that is.

 

[DGM]

The video is of course a parody. Just to be fair, I scanned his youtube channel to see if I could find a sample of the more serious sort of presentation he is offering to bring to T.A.M., but sadly I could find none --- Only similar character portrayals of how he perceives his opposition on alternate topics. My suggestion to him would be to work up a more serious presentation with a more serious motif to place alongside the parodies. The contrast alongside his 'real' persona would lend the parodies more weight as well.

It would also be helpful if his argument against NIST actually included NIST's theory.

 

[TruthersLie]

Sorry.

that was a rule 12 violation. Please delete

 

[Walter Ego]

The video is of course a parody.

Yeah, and piss-poor parody at that. Mr. Fullerton's You Tube videos do have the virtue of being few in number and mercifully short in length, however.

My suggestion to him would be to work up a more serious presentation with a more serious motif to place alongside the parodies. The contrast alongside his 'real' persona would lend the parodies more weight as well.

A better suggestion would be to remove all the videos before anyone else can see them... and what makes you think the sneering arrogance on display in the video is not part of his "real" persona? His history on JREF doesn't suggest otherwise.

 

[oody]

Parodies? The guys has four videos up that consist solely of seventh grade level insults and virulent homophobia.

And this guy thinks that anyone would take him seriously at a debate?

What a sad pathetic channel that is.

I think we're on the same page here; I was just trying to bring out the point in a more subtle manner. I think that if he could create a coherent serious video of himself presenting his arguments, that video would be up there. With regard to the homophobia thing, I think he sees himself as bashing homophobics rather than bashing homosexuals, but the whole thing is so incoherent it's hard to know for sure.

 

[Walter Ego]

With regard to the homophobia thing, I think he sees himself as bashing homophobics rather than bashing homosexuals, but the whole thing is so incoherent it's hard to know for sure.

Well, that's one way to put it.

Let's just hope he's better as a software developer than he is as a comedian.

 

[oody]

Sorry.

that was a rule 12 violation. Please delete

Not sure whether you mean me here. My impression was that we are taking the video as a kind of audition for JREF, and as such it might be valid to underscore that the sneer we're looking at is affected as part of a character portrayal, and not necessarily how he'd really look on the big screen as he Skyped into T.A.M. for the debate against Penn and Teller (or whomever). So I thought this post might be responsive to the thread. But I am new and may well be wrong about this; I do want to follow the rules, and the kitchen is hot.

 

[cmatrix]

So, even though I made dozens of technical posts in your "WTC7 debate" thread, you say I "refused to debate"? This is revisionist history, plain and simple.

On one occasion, I again pointed out that you [cmatrix] were attacking a strawman model of your own creation, and, most importantly, you admitted to that.

After that, there was really no need to continue the "debate" charade. There were more interesting things to do, like pointing out your little "social commentary" on YouTube.

"Refused to debate"? Yeah, right.

Good grief. Your bizarre claim that I committed a straw man is in fact a straw man on your part as I repeatedly explained to you several times now including here.

Also look at this final post to you that you refused to respond to. That post clearly shows that you support a crackpot pseudo-science theory, the loony NIST WTC 7 theory. Because of this you and JREF are not on the side of true science or true skepticism. I am. I am man enough to debate any scientist in the world on this, including you. You consistently refuse to engage is a rational focused debate on these topics. You do this because you know the NIST theory is garbage.

 

[cmatrix]

TAM seems to be a gathering of distinguished people, so I have to ask: Are you a distinguished person?

If not, why would you expect to be received in that forum when the audience is paying to see distinguished people?

I have completely debunked the crackpot pseudo-science NIST theory on WTC 7 and outlined a scientific CD theory in its stead. In the sane world of science and reason that should make me a distinguished person. In the bizzarro JREF world of pseudo-science and pseudo-skepticism it does not seem to.

 

[DGM]

I have completely debunked the crackpot psuedo-science NIST theory on WTC 7 and outlined a scientific CD theory in its stead. In the sane world of science and reason that should make me a distinguished person. In the bizzarro JREF world of psuedo-science and pseudo-skepticism it does not seem to.

How about with the engineering and academic world?

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

I have completely debunked the crackpot psuedo-science NIST theory on WTC 7

You, Mr. Micheal Fullerton of Vernon, British Colombia, have done absolutely nothing except repeat pseudo-research by other tinfoilers who have come before you (and none of them have been able to get their "work" published in a peer-reviewed journal. They even had to cheat to get their crap into a glorified web forum with a 600$ posting fee).

and outlined a scientific CD theory in its stead.

No you haven't. You have failed (refused? chosen not to?) to account for the lack of seismic signatures. Energy from the charges go into the girders, which goes into the buildings frame, down into the ground and is then picked up by the seismographs. This is basic physics. NO seismic signatures = NO controlled demo.