T'ai Chi : Some math/stat questions for you

BillHoyt said:

Dammit! That thread was from a couple of months ago.

And here I had figured it out all on my own from posting styles. I was so proud too.... and there it was for all to see anyway.

Adam
 
Thanks.

I wonder why Hal didn't delete the account? They have a general policy against sock puppets.

Perhaps he never actually pm'd Hal.
 
T'ai Chi said:


Originally posted by TruthSeeker

How about this:

The null hypothesis is that there are no people with supernatural powers.

The alternate hypothesis is that, although rare, there are people with supernatural powers.

How would you test this?


Well, that is obviosuly very vague.

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No, it's not "obviously very vague", and directly leads into a basic statistics of population question.

Edited to fix major typokinesis....
 
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T'ai Chi said:


I must be an idioscal to reply to you.

Anyway, I don't do anything in Fortran, only SAS, S+, and a few others.

Oh, I see.

Really?

What language do you think, oh, say, portscal is written in?
 
jj said:


No, it's not "obviously very big", and directly leads into a basic statistics of population question.

jj,

It is all a moot point, jj. T'ai is who and who has no degrees in math or statistics. It was all just another idiotic stunt. Another waste of JREF bandwith.
 
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Oops. You missed the question. Bone up on CLM.


M?

You mean you aren't even going to give us the answer, Bill?


You seem to still be ripping/reading and posting here, as with your brewery post that was very similar to things found on the net. It gets worse here, though.


The questions you asked were entirely common statistical knowledge. I answer and you accuse of copying and pasting. Typical Bill.


The t-test can be used in the situtation you described, but it is far from the usual use. The most usual use is to compare two samples for sameness.


Um, I said "especially in comparing the means of two groups".


We're not talking about the F-test here. I asked about efficiency. Cramer-Rao.

Um, the example I gave was entirely valid, Bill. Do you understand?
 
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jj said:


Oh, I see.

Really?

What language do you think, oh, say, portscal is written in?

Um, I have limited knowledge of Fortran, but it isn't what I do my work in.
 
BillHoyt said:

It is all a moot point, jj. T'ai is who and who has no degrees in math or statistics. It was all just another idiotic stunt. Another waste of JREF bandwith.

The object of this thread was for me to answer your math/stat questions, dude.

I'm sure that there is someone somewhere on this board that can stump me, but it ain't you, Bill.
 
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Iconoclast said:

Not moving the goalposts. If you truly understand how Chi Squared Distributions are related to Normal Distributions, then you will be able to explain it in simple terms.

Oh brother.

I answered you, dude.

If you don't consider my answer an answer because it isn't in simple to understand language, then that is not my fault, it is yours.

I proved that I "truly" understand it. You haven't.
 
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T'ai Chi said:


Um, I have limited knowledge of Fortran, but it isn't what I do my work in.

Eigen stand it! :wink8:

jj?? When you're done laughing?
 
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T'ai Chi said:


Oh brother.

I answered you, dude.

If you don't consider my answer an answer because it isn't in simple to understand language, then that is not my fault, it is yours.

I proved that I "truly" understand it. You haven't.

T'ai,

This is about the third demonstration from you that you don't understand basics about stat theory. Chi-square's "Chi" is the sum of the squares of n standard Normals.

The net is a great resource once you understand the fundaments. If you don't, and play search, rip & read games you end up with gobbledygook.

Now the other area where you urped was in my twisted gaussian/binomial question. I figured you'd stop once you found the inversion. That is what you did, of course. The question wasn't about "approximations", though. It was about collecting n distributions together to get a different distribution. The answer revolves around the Central Limit Theorem. Collect together a number of distributions of any sort, and you will eventually end up with the normal distribution.

At least I didn't ask you about the two-sided Chi square test.
:wink8:
 
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BillHoyt said:

This is about the third demonstration from you that you don't understand basics about stat theory.


Hardly, dude. You can keep repeating that line of yours, but it still isn't true. Some advice: next time, ask me some harder questions, not ones like 'What is the t-test used for.' You ask me questions like then and then claim that my answers can be found anywhere. No ish Bill, maybe because you asked me incredibly simple questions. Ever think of that? :)


Chi-square's "Chi" is the sum of the squares of n standard Normals.


Right, gee, I wonder what I said. Oops, you forgot independent there, Billy. You might want to study more.


The net is a great resource once you understand the fundaments.


I agree.


Now the other area where you urped was in my twisted gaussian/binomial question. I figured you'd stop once you found the inversion. That is what you did, of course. The question wasn't about "approximations", though. It was about collecting n distributions together to get a different distribution. The answer revolves around the Central Limit Theorem.


Oh good god you've got it twisted.

First, you said, "CLM", when you obviosuly meant 'CLT'. Second, you asked how many normals do you need to get a binomial. It is the other way around. We approximate the binomial with the normal because, graphically, the binomial histogram fills out and becomes the normal curve.


Collect together a number of distributions of any sort, and you will eventually end up with the normal distribution.


I agree, 100%... Although you asked how many gaussians do you need to get a binomial. Do you know what distribution you get if you mix gaussians? Take a wild guess, Bill.

Oh, are you going to answer your own question, Billy? Tell us, how many gaussians do you need to get a binomial?


At least I didn't ask you about the two-sided Chi square test.
:wink8:

You should have. It would have been more difficult than that silly Student-t questions.

:rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by BillHoyt
2. How many gaussian statistics must we collect together before we reach the binomial distribution?
What does "collect together" mean? Does it mean "add"?

What does "reach" mean? Does it mean "equal"?

What is it that is "reaching" a binomial distribution? The sum of the gaussians?

If the question means what I suggest, the answer is "the sum of independent gaussian random variables has a gaussian distribution, never a binomial distribution". Otherwise, can you clarify the question?

(If the gaussians are not independent, all bets are off. For example, consider two gaussians with the same mean and variance, but perfectly anti-correlated: one is always the negative of the other. Their sum is identically zero, which is a binomial distribution with p = 0. I doubt that's what you meant, though.)
 
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69dodge said:
What does "collect together" mean? Does it mean "add"?

What does "reach" mean? Does it mean "equal"?

What is it that is "reaching" a binomial distribution? The sum of the gaussians?

If the question means what I suggest, the answer is "the sum of independent gaussian random variables has a gaussian distribution, never a binomial distribution". Otherwise, can you clarify the question?

(If the gaussians are not independent, all bets are off. For example, consider two gaussians with the same mean and variance, but perfectly anti-correlated: one is always the negative of the other. Their sum is identically zero, which is a binomial distribution with p = 0. I doubt that's what you meant, though.)

It was a trick question. What actually happens is closer to what you are saying here. Add together any number of distributions (of any flavor, other than your evil example of two anti-correlated distributions) and you will approach the Normal distribution. Not the other way around.
 
Anyway, it has been fun.

Although, now I will refrain from answering all questions.

I'll let you have some time to think of some good ones. :) :)

I'm off to rebalance my ch'i.
 
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T'ai Chi said:


Um, I have limited knowledge of Fortran, but it isn't what I do my work in.

You said, in reply to my comment about indscal, sindscal, and portscal, that you didn't do Fortran.

I asked you what language Portscal was in. What does this have to do with limited knowledge of Fortrash?
 
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BillHoyt said:


Eigen stand it! :wink8:

jj?? When you're done laughing?


Man, oh man, I tell you, it's just a singular reference, isn't it? I mean, the condition numbers in the millions, and it's vanished without a trace. I'm snickering so loudly that I'm pivoting my chair!
 
T'ai Chi said:
Anyway, it has been fun.

Although, now I will refrain from answering all questions.

I'll let you have some time to think of some good ones. :) :)

I'm off to rebalance my ch'i.

You haven't answered mine. What language do you think Portscal was written in?
 
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jj said:

I asked you what language Portscal was in.

English I suppose.
 
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JJ said, as visible above:

You haven't answered mine. What language do you think Portscal was written in?

T'ai Chi said:

Originally posted by jj

I asked you what language Portscal was in.


English I suppose.

Let us note that he has dishonestly edited the quote and then replied disingeniously.

It's hard to get a lot lower than deliberately faking quotes.

Sheesh!

Troll.
 

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