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slingblade said:
Without more information, neither of us has any way of knowing which method, or another, is used

(and I'm not showing you my birth certificate, so there! :p)
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No that's incorrect. We know because of the texture it's added during the grinding process. We all know it's the industry standard for preparing ground meat. This makes it a reasonable assumption.

More importantly slingblade, we know from the FSIS themselves, that if they used "ground beef" and cooked it, then added the seasonings, the label on the product would say "ground beef" and not just "beef".

I'll take your word on the BD deal.
 
I did find this:

Tyson Foods Statement on Taco Bell Beef

Springdale, Arkansas -- January 25, 2010 -- We take great pride in the seasoned beef we provide Taco Bell. We begin with 100 percent USDA-inspected beef. We combine this high quality beef with Taco Bell’s proprietary seasonings and spices; then we slowly cook it and package it for shipment to Taco Bell restaurants.

We prepare the seasoned beef at three Tyson Foods plants and all is USDA-inspected. In addition, our operations are also staffed by Tyson quality assurance professionals, who test the product daily to ensure it meets Taco Bell specifications as well as USDA requirements.
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I asked you where you got that quote about the first grind earlier, and you never said. What agency is it from, may I see?
 
3bodyproblem said:
Since you don't seem to be able to drawn the necessary conclusion yourself, would you prefer if I just asked the FSIS instead of explaining it to you? Again.
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I think you need to since you seem to have remained ignorant of what you are required to do to a product to be allowed to add the descriptor "Seasoned" or "Flavoured" to the name. I'll give you a clue, it's been quoted lots in this thread, and even on the last page.
 
slingblade said:
I asked you where you got that quote about the first grind earlier, and you never said. What agency is it from, may I see?
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The one thing I actually do agree with 3BP on is that the seasoning has to be added before cooking, mostly because that has to be done for it to be allowed to be named "Seasoned Ground Beef."
 
PhantomWolf said:
The one thing I actually do agree with 3BP on is that the seasoning has to be added before cooking, mostly because that has to be done for it to be allowed to be named "Seasoned Ground Beef."
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Okay. I am accustomed to much, much smaller operations, where the cooks make their own fillings for the restaurant, and they start with plain, raw ground beef.

But this is a different sitch, and I can accept that the methods are different.
 
slingblade said:
Okay. I am accustomed to much, much smaller operations, where the cooks make their own fillings for the restaurant, and they start with plain, raw ground beef.

But this is a different sitch, and I can accept that the methods are different.
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I do the same when I cook, par-cook the meat and then add the seasonings before finishing the cooking, well other than salt, always put salt on or in first.

However the regulation about adding "Seasoning" to the name states that the seasoning must be added first before cooking it back, and Tyson quote you posted indicates the same:

We combine this high quality beef with Taco Bell’s proprietary seasonings and spices; then we slowly cook it
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From Slingblade's post:

We take great pride in the seasoned beef we provide Taco Bell. We begin with 100 percent USDA-inspected beef.

Yes, it's seasoned beef, not seasoned ground beef.

I was hoping from the FSIS email people would be able to determine for themselves that what Taco Bell gets IS NOT SEASONED GROUND BEEF.

You can make up all the crap you want about what you do at home and how the regulations don't matter because it's cooked. But you are flat out wrong, TACO BELL DOES NOT SERVE SEASONED GROUND BEEF like they claim to.

Ground beef is a specific product (maybe you heard of "standardized food products" from your neighbor or best friend, or maybe your mom told you). It's not that hard to understand, I really can't believe people are being this dense just to argue.

You're in way over your heads people. Knock it off! :mad: :D
 
3bodyproblem said:
From Slingblade's post:

We take great pride in the seasoned beef we provide Taco Bell. We begin with 100 percent USDA-inspected beef.

Yes, it's seasoned beef, not seasoned ground beef.

I was hoping from the FSIS email people would be able to determine for themselves that what Taco Bell gets IS NOT SEASONED GROUND BEEF.

You can make up all the crap you want about what you do at home and how the regulations don't matter because it's cooked. But you are flat out wrong, TACO BELL DOES NOT SERVE SEASONED GROUND BEEF like they claim to.

Ground beef is a specific product (maybe you heard of "standardized food products" from your neighbor or best friend, or maybe your mom told you). It's not that hard to understand, I really can't believe people are being this dense just to argue.

You're in way over your heads people. Knock it off! :mad: :D
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The last taco I had there the meat certainly looked ground.
 
So now we're at the point where meat that has been passed through a grinder might not actually be ground?
 
I was at Albertson's today. In the meat department, they had some pre-packaged stuff called Italian Roast beef.
It contained Beef, water, seasonings (soy flour, spices, ...)
It did say "fully cooked" on the package.
I guess it wasn't beef, then?
The normal person, when he see a label on a cooked product, that it contains 100% ground beef, water, seasonings, and preservatives, immediately knows that the package isn't 100% ground beef, but that the ground beef contains no pork, lamb, chicken, turkey, rat, etc.
Myself, I look at it as a dietary consideration. You won't be violating your religious constraints against eating pork...
 
But at what stage are the candles added, and if you light them, does Homeland Security have to get involved?
 
quadraginta said:
"Angelfood cake" could offer some interesting opportunities for civil complaint.
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Pineapple upside-down cake is partly not cake at all, it's actually part pineapple! And don't even get me started about the upside-down part! :mad:


Some brainiac in the EU regulatory department decided he had to define what jelly was so he said it was fruit and pectin and sugar and stuff and the carrot jelly people were all like wtf and the hard-ass rather than back down instead redefined carrots as fruit.
 
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