Taco Bell sued

[mortimer]

*sigh

Yes, the regulation says "meat" refers to raw skeletal muscle.

Where's the regulation on cooked if it's different? Where does it say if you cook it it's different?

Ask you husband if a cooked t-bone is the same as a raw t-bone by definition. Or a cooked beet.

Why would you think heating up anything changes what it is?

If you cite the definition of "cooked ground beef" as anything but "ground beef" cooked I'll never post in this thread again.

Of all the silly arguments you've made in this thread, this argument takes the cake.

So you're saying that a regulation on "Raw Meat Products" actually applies to "Cooked Meat Products" because there is no "Cooked Meat Products" regulation.

No, "Raw Meat Products" refers to raw meat products, and only raw meat products. Not cooked meat products. Not raw vegetable products (note there's no "Raw Vegetable Products" regulation!), nor to cooked dirt products (no regulation about that either!). They refer to raw meat products because that's what the regulation is intended to cover: raw meat products and nothing else!

 

[Furcifer]

So you're saying that a regulation on "Raw Meat Products" actually applies to "Cooked Meat Products" because there is no "Cooked Meat Products" regulation.

No, "Raw Meat Products" refers to raw meat products, and only raw meat products. Not cooked meat products. Not raw vegetable products (note there's no "Raw Vegetable Products" regulation!), nor to cooked dirt products (no regulation about that either!). They refer to raw meat products because that's what the regulation is intended to cover: raw meat products and nothing else!

lol, no here's the response from the FSIS:

Response (Sally Jones) 02/10/2011 05:44 AM
The only regulations are on raw ground beef. If you cook raw ground beef it is cooked ground beef. You must start with raw ground beef, then cook it for cooked ground beef, otherwise you have cooked beef.

Got it? You don't know anything about the regulations and you're arguing from ignorance. I suggest if you have any more questions email the FSIS, they respond rather quickly.

 

[not daSkeptic]

... here's the response from the FSIS:

Response (Sally Jones) 02/10/2011 05:44 AM
The only regulations are on raw ground beef. If you cook raw ground beef it is cooked ground beef. You must start with raw ground beef, then cook it for cooked ground beef, otherwise you have cooked beef.

*scratches head ... again*

 

[Furcifer]

I've not read the last 15 or so pages of this thread, but I think I can answer this one: No.

The suit references the regulations at issue and 3BP is making up arguments ad infinitem about other stuff. Whether he is right or wrong is completely beside the question of what is at issue in the suit. The thread lost its way some where in the first few pages and will never again be about the suit, apparently.

All I said is the judge will need a reference to determine if Taco Bell is misleading calling its taco filling "seasoned ground beef".

They receive "taco neat filling" from the supplier because that's what it is under USDA regulations. If the supplier called it "seasoned ground beef" they would be lying (and subject to the FSIS wrath)

Therefore Taco Bell is misleading its customers calling anything but "taco meat filling". That's the case.

The rest is about a bunch of people trying to redefine the USDA regulations so they can call whatever they want "seasoned ground beef". It's pretty pathetic because time after time the supplier label has been proven correct.

 

[mortimer]

lol, no here's the response from the FSIS:

Response (Sally Jones) 02/10/2011 05:44 AM
The only regulations are on raw ground beef. If you cook raw ground beef it is cooked ground beef. You must start with raw ground beef, then cook it for cooked ground beef, otherwise you have cooked beef.

Got it? You don't know anything about the regulations and you're arguing from ignorance. I suggest if you have any more questions email the FSIS, they respond rather quickly.

Hilarious. She just said the exact same thing I did. Bolded for your lack of reading comprehension.

 

[mortimer]

Yes, the regulation says "meat" refers to raw skeletal muscle.

Where's the regulation on cooked if it's different? Where does it say if you cook it it's different?

LOL. Right here.

Response (Sally Jones) 02/10/2011 05:44 AM
The only regulations are on raw ground beef. If you cook raw ground beef it is cooked ground beef. You must start with raw ground beef, then cook it for cooked ground beef, otherwise you have cooked beef.

Just wanted to put it all together for you.

 

[Furcifer]

Just wanted to put it all together for you.

Here I'll put it together for you. Cooking does nothing (to the definition, not the physical propertied like some people think or a derailing this thread about), and is only a modifier.

Do you know what a "modifier" is? "qualifier"?

 

[Furcifer]

Hilarious. She just said the exact same thing I did. Bolded for your lack of reading comprehension.

I'm afraid it's your comprehension that's a little behind the curve.

The premise was that the definition of "ground beef", a standardized food product, was different when it was cooked.

That's incorrect, because cooking is only a modifier. Thus you need to start out with "raw ground beef" to get "cooked ground beef".

Just like the nice lady said.

Understand?

 

[slingblade]

Any evidence yet that the seasonings used by Taco Bell are mixed into the raw meat at the processing plant?

 

[Furcifer]

Any evidence yet that the seasonings used by Taco Bell are mixed into the raw meat at the processing plant?

Hey, Happy Birthday.

Yes, I quoted you the processing standards, it gets added after the coarse grind.

 

[mortimer]

They receive "taco neat filling" from the supplier because that's what it is under USDA regulations.

A lie.

If the supplier called it "seasoned ground beef" they would be lying (and subject to the FSIS wrath)

Unsupported.

The rest is about a bunch of people trying to redefine the USDA regulations

Only one person here is trying to redefine the USDA regulations. You. Trying to redefine cooked seasoned ground beef as raw ground beef. We know. It's all quite obvious to everyone here.

 

[vwgub]

Just made a bunch of "Taco Filling" with "Ground turkey" and "TVP" and "Schillings Taco Seasoning" in my "Crockpot" with some water. Tasted great. Been eating it every day this week for "Lunch" with "Corn Tortillas". Does that pass the test for what some "People" want for a "Definition" for "Food" that "I eat"

 

[Furcifer]

A lie.

Nope. You see this is why I say you don't understand the regulations at all. And despite my help you continue to fail at understanding.

The label is regulated by the USDA and has been specifically approved by them.

Unsupported.

Incorrect. It follows from the regulations. Try to read them and understand morti.

Only one person here is trying to redefine the USDA regulations.

Nope. explaining them to people that don't understand like yourself. You don't seem to understand the difference between taco meat filling and ground beef. It's pretty obvious.

Trying to redefine cooked seasoned ground beef as raw ground beef. We know. It's all quite obvious to everyone here.

Again incorrect.

It's fairly simple concept, try and follow it, to have "cooked seasoned ground beef" you have to start with "raw" seasoned ground beef. That''s how the regulations apply.

Did you read what the nice lady said? Hmm?

 

[slingblade]

Hey, Happy Birthday.

Thank you!

Yes, I quoted you the processing standards, it gets added after the coarse grind.

That doesn't mean that's the way it's always done. Many food processing kitchens buy bulk raw meat, unseasoned, from a meat processor and do all the cooking, including adding seasonings, in their kitchens.

I need evidence of the Taco Bell process, specifically.

 

[PhantomWolf]

Again incorrect.

It's fairly simple concept, try and follow it, to have "cooked seasoned ground beef" you have to start with "raw" seasoned ground beef. That''s how the regulations apply.

Did you read what the nice lady said? Hmm?

You have reading issues don't you.

 

[Furcifer]

That doesn't mean that's the way it's always done. Many food processing kitchens buy bulk raw meat, unseasoned, from a meat processor and do all the cooking, including adding seasonings, in their kitchens.

I need evidence of the Taco Bell process, specifically.

That's how it's done in the industry. If you think Taco Bell has some unique process the burden of proof is on you because you have the "extra-ordinary" claim.

I have no evidence McDonald's bakes their sesame seed buns either.

(I have even less evidence it's your birthday!)

 

[Furcifer]

You have reading issues don't you.

Nope, although it's pretty clear people's comprehension skills diminish when they know they are wrong. And you are wrong.

 

[PhantomWolf]

Nope, although it's pretty clear people's comprehension skills diminish when they know they are wrong. And you are wrong.

Care to show me where she said anything about "seasoned ground beef"?

 

[slingblade]

That's how it's done in the industry. If you think Taco Bell has some unique process the burden of proof is on you because you have the "extra-ordinary" claim.

I have no evidence McDonald's bakes their sesame seed buns either.

(I have even less evidence it's your birthday!)

It's actually done in a variety of different ways in the "industry."

Taco Bell gets its taco meat filling from Tyson and others. The others haven't been named anywhere, so I can't look them up. Tyson does do meat processing in their own plants, 17 of them across the country.

Taco Bell uses a proprietary mix of seasonings, which means whoever makes that taco filling mix has exclusive access to Taco Bell's mix, and must use it only in Taco Bell products they make.

The chain of the process could go a number of ways.
Tyson makes raw ground beef, and they are one of the companies that makes Taco Bell brand taco meat filling. So they might add the TB mix to the raw ground beef, or they might supply their kitchens with raw, unseasoned ground beef, to which the seasonings are added during cooking.

Without more information, neither of us has any way of knowing which method, or another, is used.


(and I'm not showing you my birth certificate, so there! )

 

[Furcifer]

Care to show me where she said anything about "seasoned ground beef"?

Since you don't seem to be able to drawn the necessary conclusion yourself, would you prefer if I just asked the FSIS instead of explaining it to you? Again.