Taco Bell sued

[mortimer]

lol, that's the reason for the lawsuit, they're marketing it as "seasoned ground beef".

And for the final time, the marketing should reflect the label or it is misleading as per the regulation.

No, they are marketing it as a "beef taco" or a "beef and bean burrito" or a "beef tostada".

You can't go into a Taco Bell and order "seasoned ground beef".

 

[Furcifer]

No, they are marketing it as a "beef taco" or a "beef and bean burrito" or a "beef tostada".

You can't go into a Taco Bell and order "seasoned ground beef".

lol. Seriously, is it that hard to google things? Or read the thread?

Why wouldn't you investigate this claim before making it? Do you always pull things out of the ether, or is this something your mom told you as a child? Or are you just lying?

 

[mortimer]

lol. Seriously, is it that hard to google things? Or read the thread?

Why wouldn't you investigate this claim before making it? Do you always pull things out of the ether, or is this something your mom told you as a child? Or are you just lying?

I see. Personal attacks rather than actually addressing the point.

Have you tried purchasing "seasoned ground beef" from Taco Bell? How did that go?

 

[mortimer]

Just to make this easier for you, 3bodyproblem, would you have a problem if Taco Bell listed two entries on their ingredients page:

Beef ingredients: 100% ground beef

Beef seasoning ingredients: Water, Seasoning [Isolated Oat Product, Salt, Chili Pepper, Onion Powder, Tomato Powder, Oats (Wheat), Soy Lecithin, Sugar, Spices, Maltodextrin, Soybean Oil (Anti-dusting Agent), Garlic Powder, Autolyzed Yeast Extract, Citric Acid, Caramel Color, Cocoa Powder (Processed With Alkali), Silicon Dioxide, Natural Flavors, Yeast, Modified Corn Starch, Natural Smoke Flavor], Salt, Sodium Phosphates. CONTAINS SOYBEAN, WHEAT

And they mixed the beef and the seasoning ingredients in the exact same proportion they do now?

 

[Furcifer]

I see. Personal attacks rather than actually addressing the point.

Have you tried purchasing "seasoned ground beef" from Taco Bell? How did that go?

My apologies, I meant your question was stupid and ignorant, not you. We all make stupid comments from time to time. Anyhow...

What does that have to do with Taco Bell advertising they sell "seasoned ground beef"? Do you understand what a class action lawsuit is about? I doubt if someone went in to Taco Bell and ordered "seasoned gold flakes" and they served them it would matter. It's still not class action worthy.

So your derail is pointless, but yes I have ordered "the spicy burrito with seasoned ground beef', and been served a spicy burrito with seasoned taco meat filling. Taco Bell doesn't have "ground beef" on the premises.

 

[Furcifer]

Just to make this easier for you, 3bodyproblem, would you have a problem if Taco Bell listed two entries on their ingredients page:

Beef ingredients: 100% ground beef

Beef seasoning ingredients: Water, Seasoning [Isolated Oat Product, Salt, Chili Pepper, Onion Powder, Tomato Powder, Oats (Wheat), Soy Lecithin, Sugar, Spices, Maltodextrin, Soybean Oil (Anti-dusting Agent), Garlic Powder, Autolyzed Yeast Extract, Citric Acid, Caramel Color, Cocoa Powder (Processed With Alkali), Silicon Dioxide, Natural Flavors, Yeast, Modified Corn Starch, Natural Smoke Flavor], Salt, Sodium Phosphates. CONTAINS SOYBEAN, WHEAT

And they mixed the beef and the seasoning ingredients in the exact same proportion they do now?

It has to do with the advertising meeting the label requirements.

To list "beef" from what I saw in the legislation it would have to be chunks of a certain size, not ground up. Once it's ground it falls under the "Ground Beef" regulation.

 

[mortimer]

My apologies, I meant your question was stupid and ignorant, not you. We all make stupid comments from time to time. Anyhow...

What does that have to do with Taco Bell advertising they sell "seasoned ground beef"? Do you understand what a class action lawsuit is about? I doubt if someone went in to Taco Bell and ordered "seasoned gold flakes" and they served them it would matter. It's still not class action worthy.

So your derail is pointless, but yes I have ordered "the spicy burrito with seasoned ground beef', and been served a spicy burrito with seasoned taco meat filling. Taco Bell doesn't have "ground beef" on the premises.

Taco Bell does not advertise that they sell "seasoned ground beef", nor can you order "seasoned ground beef". I think I understand where your failure of logic lies.

 

[BobTheDonkey]

It has to do with the advertising meeting the label requirements.

To list "beef" from what I saw in the legislation it would have to be chunks of a certain size, not ground up. Once it's ground it falls under the "Ground Beef" regulation.

Is that the legislation for meatpackers, the legislation for restaurants, or the legislation for labeling requirements?

 

[mortimer]

It has to do with the advertising meeting the label requirements.

To list "beef" from what I saw in the legislation it would have to be chunks of a certain size, not ground up. Once it's ground it falls under the "Ground Beef" regulation.

Really? Chunks of a certain size? What size, precisely? What regulation, specifically, regulates the size of the chunks of ground beef?

 

[Furcifer]

Really? Chunks of a certain size? What size, precisely? What regulation, specifically, regulates the size of the chunks of ground beef?

I love lazy debaters. "Show me, I'm so special I can't google and support my own claims"

"Livestock Carcass Grading Regulations"
"A "solid cut meat product" is an edible meat product consisting of either a solid piece of meat or containing at least 80% of boneless skinless meat in pieces weighing 25 g or more."


It's a pointless derail anyways, ground meat is defined and there are labeling rules and therefore advertising rules. Let's look at ground meat:

"In the labelling of ground meat, only the following four designations are permitted, depending on the fat content: regular ground "meat" (max. 30% fat), medium ground "meat" (max. 23% fat), lean ground "meat" (max. 17% fat) and extra-lean ground "meat" (max. 10% fat), the term "meat" being replaced by the name of the animal species (e.g., regular ground beef).

 

[Furcifer]

Is that the legislation for meatpackers, the legislation for restaurants, or the legislation for labeling requirements?

It's pretty clear from the regulations labeling is industry wide, from the packer to the restaurant. There are some exceptions and I imagine that's Taco Bell's defense, but "Ground Meat" is pretty specific. The mixture that Taco Bell uses doesn't meet the requirements of "ground beef", cooked or seasoned doesn't change this basic standard. You can't use a mix, form it into a pattie, cook it and say it's made from "extra lean ground beef".

 

[Emet]

I love lazy debaters. "Show me, I'm so special I can't google and support my own claims"

"Livestock Carcass Grading Regulations"
"A "solid cut meat product" is an edible meat product consisting of either a solid piece of meat or containing at least 80% of boneless skinless meat in pieces weighing 25 g or more."


It's a pointless derail anyways, ground meat is defined and there are labeling rules and therefore advertising rules. Let's look at ground meat:

"In the labelling of ground meat, only the following four designations are permitted, depending on the fat content: regular ground "meat" (max. 30% fat), medium ground "meat" (max. 23% fat), lean ground "meat" (max. 17% fat) and extra-lean ground "meat" (max. 10% fat), the term "meat" being replaced by the name of the animal species (e.g., regular ground beef).

Links would be appreciated. Are these Canadian or US regulations?

Thanks.

 

[JoelKatz]

"In the labelling of ground meat, only the following four designations are permitted, depending on the fat content: regular ground "meat" (max. 30% fat), medium ground "meat" (max. 23% fat), lean ground "meat" (max. 17% fat) and extra-lean ground "meat" (max. 10% fat), the term "meat" being replaced by the name of the animal species (e.g., regular ground beef).

Taco Bell's beef taco filling is not ground meat, so these regulations simply don't apply. It's ground beef to which water, oats, and seasonings have been added, which we all agree is not "ground meat".

Is it your contention that Taco Bell can't label this product in any way that would be lawful? None of the designations permitted give you any way to explain that water has been added, and you seem to be arguing that these are quite literally the only designations that can apply to ground meat.

You seem, at least to me, to be making your arguments with so few words that I can't quite tell what they are. Are you claiming the regulation you cited above specifically makes Taco Bell's "seasoned ground beef" designation illegal?

 

[mortimer]

I love lazy debaters. "Show me, I'm so special I can't google and support my own claims"

Lot of self love there, since you haven't supported any of your claims. I didn't make the claim about "chunk size". You did. And you didn't support it with any evidence.

"Livestock Carcass Grading Regulations"
"A "solid cut meat product" is an edible meat product consisting of either a solid piece of meat or containing at least 80% of boneless skinless meat in pieces weighing 25 g or more."

This is awesome. So nobody can sell anything that claims to have beef in it unless it has chunks weighing 25g or more, according to your unsourced claim? That pretty much rules out *all* ground beef products. Since when is any ground beef considered a "solid cut meat product"?

It's a pointless derail anyways, ground meat is defined and there are labeling rules and therefore advertising rules. Let's look at ground meat:

"In the labelling of ground meat, only the following four designations are permitted, depending on the fat content: regular ground "meat" (max. 30% fat), medium ground "meat" (max. 23% fat), lean ground "meat" (max. 17% fat) and extra-lean ground "meat" (max. 10% fat), the term "meat" being replaced by the name of the animal species (e.g., regular ground beef).

But since you can't buy "ground meat" at Taco Bell, nor do they advertise the sale of "ground meat", this "rule" is not applicable.

 

[Furcifer]

Links would be appreciated. Are these Canadian or US regulations?

Thanks.

Still Canadian.

http://www.inspection.gc.ca/english/fssa/meavia/man/ch7/table7e.shtml

 

[Emet]

Still Canadian.

http://www.inspection.gc.ca/english/fssa/meavia/man/ch7/table7e.shtml

Thanks. The lawsuit is in the US, so why link to Canadian regulations?

 

[Furcifer]

Taco Bell's beef taco filling is not ground meat, so these regulations simply don't apply. It's ground beef to which water, oats, and seasonings have been added, which we all agree is not "ground meat".

If it's not "ground beef" then they shouldn't advertise it as such. There are a few other things they can call it, but I believe "filling" is the desired one, because "meat by-product" sounds terrible.

 

[Furcifer]

Thanks. The lawsuit is in the US, so why link to Canadian regulations?

Because they sell it over here under the same names and the laws are all the same. Do you think it makes any difference? NAFTA pretty much meant an equal playing field. I started looking up USDA and FDA regulations but when I saw they were all the same I just used the Canadian sites because they were easier to navigate.

 

[mortimer]

It has to do with the advertising meeting the label requirements.

To list "beef" from what I saw in the legislation it would have to be chunks of a certain size, not ground up. Once it's ground it falls under the "Ground Beef" regulation.

So can I assume you won't be addressing the question?

For convenience's sake, I'll ask it again. If Taco Bell lists the ground beef as one ingredient, and the seasoning as another, you couldn't possibly have a problem with it, could you? I mean, what's the difference when the beef and the seasoning is mixed together?

 

[Furcifer]

But since you can't buy "ground meat" at Taco Bell, nor do they advertise the sale of "ground meat", this "rule" is not applicable.

That's a lie. I've bought it. There's a button on the register and the receipt says:

add +snd grd beef

You're just being ridiculous and making stuff up.