Taco Bell sued

[Furcifer]

actually it is considered a seasoning. ANYTHING can be a seasoning btw. Its just adding flavor to food. Flavor comes from all sources: Salt, sugar, pepper, herbs, liquids, etc

What you think that seasoning is only adding SEASONS to food? (Sugar isn't a season by the way, yet its added to food all the time)

Please go to a fine dining restaurant and have this argument with the Chef there.

That makes perfect sense, I'm surprised I didn't think of that sooner. Oat flavoured seasoning. Can you get that in one of those grinders? Or does it come in a paste?

I'm sure that's what the regulations mean, you can put anything into ground beef and say it's a seasoning.

 

[Furcifer]

So do you want to retract your claim that I'm lying? I don't need an apology, just a retraction.

Since most of your arguments have been falsehoods I'm just going to assume you don't know any better. It's pretty bad when you have to lie to make an argument though. It's quite childish.

 

[Furcifer]

Google, so easy a child can use it (as you've told me before when you were asked for evidence for your claims), brings this up with a search for "FDA vs USDA":
From http://www.ehow.com/about_5453728_fda-vs-usda.html

And this is about ground beef not drugs. Exactly as I said. Try to keep on topic.

 

[Furcifer]

According to you that's a lie, Steak Tartare isn't ground beef because it also can be made with sliced beef.

Not only that it contains seasonings that aren't salt & pepper in the form of Worcestershire sauce and potentially garlic.

It's also not ground beef because it usually contains finely diced onions, egg and potentially capers.

[3body]So why lie, you lying liar who lies[/3body]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steak_tartare

Not the way I make it. Pure 100% ground sirloin. Sorry

 

[NewtonTrino]

Most high quality restaurant tartare is made from chopped meat, not ground. I have seen it done ground in some places though so it does happen.

Also, anyone who eats at taco bell gets what they deserve anyway. You know that's not real cheese right?

 

[Furcifer]

Everyone (except one) has argued correctly. The USDA rules are specific and clear, and only APPLY to meat processors.

And as they apply to to retailers. Mc Donald's and other restaurants like Taco Bell, which are retailers under the regulations are subject to the same labeling laws. They can't make claims that aren't supported by the USDA. It's fraudulent.

Your local grocery store is subject to the same definition of what constitutes "lean" or "extra lean" ground beef as is outlined by the USDA. If your family knows meat they know that.

 

[Furcifer]

Most high quality restaurant tartare is made from chopped meat, not ground. I have seen it done ground in some places though so it does happen.

Also, anyone who eats at taco bell gets what they deserve anyway. You know that's not real cheese right?

Actually yes, that's true. I don't have a grinder though, one of those mini food processors.

I think "nacho cheese" has a whole other definition from "cheese". But you're incorrect, they use real cheese for there "yellow" and "white".

 

[Furcifer]

If you keep feeding the troll, how can you expect him to leave?

Aww, does Taco Bell not allow the Prius in the late night drive thru? I'm sensing some resentment here.

 

[Furcifer]

actually it is considered a seasoning.

Actually no. I looked up the definition and while the list isn't set in stone the addition of Oats conflicts with the primary definition:

DEFINITIONS:

1. SPICES - General Definition - Aromatic vegetable substances, in the whole, broken, or ground form, whose significant function in food is seasoning rather than nutrition. They are true to name and from them no portion of any volatile oil or other flavoring principle has been removed.

Since the oats are added as a filler they don't meet the definition of "seasoning". Not that anyone would believe oats could season something, they don't even season oatmeal. The other products; maltodrextrin, soy lecithin, anti-dusting agent, autolyzed yeast extract, modified corn starch, sodium phosphate and silicon dioxide aren't all seasonings either.

The claim oats are a seasoning is patently false.

 

[Arus808]

Oat flavoured seasoning.

Did I state "oat flavored seasoning"? No.

I said that anything can be used as a seasoning, if it adds flavor to an existing food item.

Have you ever heard of "sugar flavored seasoning" before?

Not only are you tripping over words, you are also seeing things that aren't being posted.

 

[Arus808]

And this is about ground beef not drugs. Exactly as I said. Try to keep on topic.

OMG...YOU did not really post that:

Food and Drug Administration

^^^^ where in their title that they only deal with drugs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fda

 

[Furcifer]

The really funny thing is that both the USDA and the FTC have stated that BT is not violating their standards and rules, and they are the enforcement agencies so they should know, and yet 3BP still insists that he is right and the very people that enforce the regulations are wrong. Now that is seriously funny.

What's funny is how people are willing to lie to defend Taco Bell's right to lie to customers. Do you have a link to where the FTC or the USDA stated TB is not violating their standards? You're the only person in the World right now with this info, so feel free to share.

Or do you propose to speak for the FTC and USDA? Have you elected yourself their spokesman?

 

[Arus808]

And as they apply to to retailers. Mc Donald's and other restaurants like Taco Bell, which are retailers under the regulations are subject to the same labeling laws.

sorry, but this IS YOUR OPINION and stop making it as if its FACt. It isn't.

You are citing laws that only apply to meat processors.

They can't make claims that aren't supported by the USDA. It's fraudulent.

USDA just already stated that nothing that Taco Bell is doing is fraudulent UNDER their rules.

Again, if you think their ADVERTISEMENTS are wrong, that HAS to do with the FTC, AS THEY've already stated.


You have a serious problem with understanding which US Govt agency handles what:

USDA - handles rules and regulations with where are food is GROWN, and PROCESSED

FDA - handles rules and regulations that has to do with food safety, prescription drug regulation, OTC medicine, dietary supplements, vaccines, blood transfusions, medical devices, and cosmetics.

FTC - handles rules and regulations for consumer protection from predatory business practices, monopolies, and deceptive practices (ie false advertising).

Your local grocery store is subject to the same definition of what constitutes "lean" or "extra lean" ground beef as is outlined by the USDA. If your family knows meat they know that.

Your local grocery store indoor butcher runs under the same rules as meat processors. So I don't know why you are using this at all.

Taco Bell isn't a meat processor. They are a company that buys meat in bulk FROM meat processors.

 

[Arus808]

Or do you propose to speak for the FTC and USDA? Have you elected yourself their spokesman?

it was posted on the last page, of which you ignored:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-0202-taco-bell-meat-20110202,0,3075583,full.story

According to the USDA, which regulates the nation's meat supply, "taco meat filling" is required to contain at least 40 percent fresh meat and must be labeled with the product name, including the word "filling."

But that requirement applies to raw meat sold by manufacturers. The USDA doesn't regulate what companies such as restaurants can describe to their customers in advertisements as "beef," "chicken" or "meat," said USDA press officer Neil Gaffney.


The Federal Trade Commission is the agency that regulates whether or not advertising is deceptive. The FTC has no specific rules that define what can be advertised as meat or beef, said Betsy Lordan, an FTC spokeswoman.

 

[BobTheDonkey]

OMG...YOU did not really post that:

Food and Drug Administration

^^^^ where in their title that they only deal with drugs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fda

Ironic that my first post in this thread mentions The Jungle...which is quite often credited with the creation of the FDA and is responsible for the first major legislation (The Pure Food and Drug Act of 1906) regulating food quality standards.

 

[Furcifer]

I said that anything can be used as a seasoning, if it adds flavor to an existing food item.

Try to keep on topic, are you seriously trying to claim oats are added to the taco meat filling as a seasoning? Because that's what you interjected into the conversation, was this nonsense about how they can be a seasoning. Now you're back peddling about how they might be in something else?

Perhaps you should go back and take a look at what was being discussed and either admit you were derailing the conversation some some inane trivia fact about seasoning or admit you were wrong.

 

[Furcifer]

it was posted on the last page, of which you ignored:

That's not the USDA or FTC opinion about what Taco Bell is doing, that's someone's interpretation of the regulations in general. Not even close.

 

[BobTheDonkey]

Try to keep on topic, are you seriously trying to claim oats are added to the taco meat filling as a seasoning? Because that's what you interjected into the conversation, was this nonsense about how they can be a seasoning. Now you're back peddling about how they might be in something else?

Perhaps you should go back and take a look at what was being discussed and either admit you were derailing the conversation some some inane trivia fact about seasoning or admit you were wrong.

Actually, oats do have a flavor/texture somewhat unique to them. Arguing that oats being added doesn't add flavor/texture but is always a filler is misinformed with regards to cooking and ingredients.

Or, as I really suspect, is just trying to juice an ideological piglet.

 

[Furcifer]

USDA just already stated that nothing that Taco Bell is doing is fraudulent UNDER their rules.

stop you're killing me. You're taking the author of a Tribune articles words about the law in general and attributing them to the FTC and USDA.

The Tribune doesn't speak for the FTC or the USDA.

 

[Furcifer]

Actually, oats do have a flavor/texture somewhat unique to them. Arguing that oats being added doesn't add flavor/texture but is always a filler is misinformed with regards to cooking and ingredients.

Or, as I really suspect, is just trying to juice an ideological piglet.

taco meat how the **** does it work?

Oats aren't a seasoning, not on this planet.