Taco Bell sued

[Furcifer]

Adding salt to ground beef means you can't call it ground beef anymore, according to you.

That's a lie. Anyone who has read the thread knows salt and seasoning are allowed in ground beef accoring to the FDA, the USDA and CFIA. You're lying, please stop. Do you want me to prove you are lying or will you just retract this ridiculous claim?

 

[Furcifer]

Adding salt to ground beef means you can't call it ground beef anymore, according to you.

Two previous posts where I clearly acknowledge ground beef can have salt. There are at least two more, but this is sufficient proof you're a liar.

(a) Chopped beef, ground beef. "Chopped Beef" or "Ground Beef"
shall consist of chopped fresh and/or frozen beef with or without seasoning and without the addition of bee

Perhaps this makes more sense now? The standard set out by the regulations say that "Ground Beef" with or without seasoning SHALL NOT contain more than 30% fat and no binders or extenders.

 

[mortimer]

"Ground beef" has a specific definition under the law. "Ground beef" is ONLY "beef and fat" ground up. And if you put too much fat like 31% fat, it isn't "ground beef".

And if you cook "ground beef", you get "cooked ground beef". Not ham or stir fry or apple pie.

That's a lie. Anyone who has read the thread knows salt and seasoning are allowed in ground beef accoring to the FDA, the USDA and CFIA. You're lying, please stop. Do you want me to prove you are lying or will you just retract this ridiculous claim?

So do you want to retract your claim that I'm lying? I don't need an apology, just a retraction.

 

[Arus808]

Do you realize "oats" aren't a seasoning?

actually it is considered a seasoning. ANYTHING can be a seasoning btw. Its just adding flavor to food. Flavor comes from all sources: Salt, sugar, pepper, herbs, liquids, etc

What you think that seasoning is only adding SEASONS to food? (Sugar isn't a season by the way, yet its added to food all the time)

Please go to a fine dining restaurant and have this argument with the Chef there.

 

[BobTheDonkey]

Oh really? Explain then, what different areas? Remember this is about ground beef, not Zoloft. So please explain the different areas.

(nice vague, I don't have a clue answer)

Google, so easy a child can use it (as you've told me before when you were asked for evidence for your claims), brings this up with a search for "FDA vs USDA":

FDA
The FDA is an agency consisting of a number of centers and offices dealing with specific topics. It is part of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. The FDA is responsible for protecting the public health by assuring the safety and efficacy of drugs, biological products, medical devices, cosmetics, products that emit radiation and the nation's food supply. It is also responsible for advancing public health by making these products safer and more affordable, and ensuring information related to their use is publically available.

USDA
The USDA is a full federal government department headed by a cabinet member, the Secretary of Agriculture. It has a number of specific missions carried out by agencies under its supervision. These missions include assisting the country's farmers and ranchers from an economic and marketing perspective, food safety and work towards ending hunger. The USDA also is involved in protecting America's natural resources and environment as well as assisting rural communities through financial programs and loans.

...

Different agendas
The FDA is involved in regulating drugs, medical products and potential health risks that are not in scope for the USDA. This can at times cause friction between the two agencies and their policies toward certain groups or businesses. One prime example would be tobacco products. While the FDA wants stronger regulation and would support the elimination of tobacco products, this would hurt the nation's tobacco farmers. Their protection and economic viability is a concern of the USDA, which can potentially be offering help and guidance to a group manufacturing a product that the FDA warns consumers to avoid.

From http://www.ehow.com/about_5453728_fda-vs-usda.html

 

[themusicteacher]

(my bolding)

Not according to spokesmen for the USDA and FTC:



http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-0202-taco-bell-meat-20110202,0,3075583,full.story

So it is a case of Taco Bell engaging in false advertising. The bar is indeed rather low for Madison Avenue. Sorry, but if I give you a patty (or seasoned ground beef) of meat but it's mostly sawdust and pork fat with 1% meat in there, I should not be allowed to call it meat. I really don't care that regulating this sort of thing makes business harder to do. What I care about is knowing what goes into my body and I shouldn't have to go to a lab every time I want to know what's in my food from a restaurant. They bear a responsibility to their customers and the public in telling people, with all candor, what they put in their products.

 

[BobTheDonkey]

So it is a case of Taco Bell engaging in false advertising. The bar is indeed rather low for Madison Avenue. Sorry, but if I give you a patty (or seasoned ground beef) of meat but it's mostly sawdust and pork fat with 1% meat in there, I should not be allowed to call it meat. I really don't care that regulating this sort of thing makes business harder to do. What I care about is knowing what goes into my body and I shouldn't have to go to a lab every time I want to know what's in my food from a restaurant. They bear a responsibility to their customers and the public in telling people, with all candor, what they put in their products.

Do you have evidence that the TB ingredient list for their seasoned ground beef does not have more beef than any other ingredient, by volume or that there is only 1% meat in the seasoned ground beef?

Because if not, you're just going off on a rant without actually looking into the facts of the case.


It is not false advertising for TB to label their product "seasoned ground beef" if that's what it is. Given that the ingredients list beef as the highest by volume ingredient in seasoned ground beef, it's hard to claim this is false advertising on TB's part. I feel like I've been over this before...

 

[mortimer]

So it is a case of Taco Bell engaging in false advertising. The bar is indeed rather low for Madison Avenue. Sorry, but if I give you a patty (or seasoned ground beef) of meat but it's mostly sawdust and pork fat with 1% meat in there, I should not be allowed to call it meat. I really don't care that regulating this sort of thing makes business harder to do. What I care about is knowing what goes into my body and I shouldn't have to go to a lab every time I want to know what's in my food from a restaurant. They bear a responsibility to their customers and the public in telling people, with all candor, what they put in their products.

What false advertising? Taco Bell does not advertise what percentage of their taco is beef. What exactly is false?

Pretty much any prepared food you buy at the grocery store will also not tell you what percentage of each ingredient is used. Does every manufacturer of prepared food also engage in false advertising?

 

[Arus808]

Having a family that owns a meat processing company, I'm just finding it hilarious how some people are arguing about rules concerning MEAT, as if it applies to restaurants.


Everyone (except one) has argued correctly. The USDA rules are specific and clear, and only APPLY to meat processors.

FDA and FTC are the ones that control restaurants as far as nutritional information (content in the food being served) and advertising (if they are using seasoned ground beef in their advertising, then its not false advertising)

IF TB is claiming that their seasoned ground beef is 80% beef, then that would be in line with the beef content of Chuck ground beef. The cheapest meat that restaurants can buy.

 

[not daSkeptic]

The sad thing about Internet forums (this one included) is that if I put everyone on ignore who wasn't interested in actual discussion, there would be very few people left.

 

[JoelKatz]

Do you realize "oats" aren't a seasoning?

Yes, I do. That's why the difference is important. Adding a mixture of oats and seasonings to meat seasons it, though the mixture is not a seasoning.

 

[Arus808]

Yes, I do. That's why the difference is important. Adding a mixture of oats and seasonings to meat seasons it, though the mixture is not a seasoning.

Joel, using oats is considered seasoning. The act (verb) of seasoning is to add or improving flavor to the food.

Oil isn't a "season" however its used in seasoning. So is wine, sugar, etc

 

[Archangel]

@Hellbound

Have you ever had steak tartare? Now that's ground beef

According to you that's a lie, Steak Tartare isn't ground beef because it also can be made with sliced beef.

Not only that it contains seasonings that aren't salt & pepper in the form of Worcestershire sauce and potentially garlic.

It's also not ground beef because it usually contains finely diced onions, egg and potentially capers.

[3body]So why lie, you lying liar who lies[/3body]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steak_tartare

 

[PhantomWolf]

Give me a serious answer, please.

Does the container hold ground beef, or does it not?

I wouldn't hold my breathing waiting for an answer, he won't, just like he didn't give an answer to this question of mine:

3bodyproblem,


TITLE 9 - ANIMALS AND ANIMAL PRODUCTS

CHAPTER III - FOOD SAFETY AND INSPECTION SERVICE, DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE

SUBCHAPTER A - AGENCY ORGANIZATION AND TERMINOLOGY; MANDATORY MEAT AND POULTRY PRODUCTS INSPECTION AND VOLUNTARY INSPECTION AND CERTIFICATION

PART 319 - DEFINITIONS AND STANDARDS OF IDENTITY OR COMPOSITION

subpart b - RAW MEAT PRODUCTS

319.29 - Miscellaneous pork products.

Just down from the 319.15 Miscellaneous beef products, states that:

Such product (pork) shall have a pinkish color and a fresh odor and appearance.

You contend that these regluations apply to the meat both raw and cooked, even though it states raw meat. Do you then claim that cooked pork must still be pink and that as a result, cooked pork that is white does not meet the regulations and is therefore illegal?

The really funny thing is that both the USDA and the FTC have stated that BT is not violating their standards and rules, and they are the enforcement agencies so they should know, and yet 3BP still insists that he is right and the very people that enforce the regulations are wrong. Now that is seriously funny.

 

[JoelKatz]

Joel, using oats is considered seasoning. The act (verb) of seasoning is to add or improving flavor to the food.

Oil isn't a "season" however its used in seasoning. So is wine, sugar, etc

Precisely. I would just note that the verb form can refer to improvements in texture or other qualities as well as flavor. The verb "to season" means to add zest to, to improve the quality of.

 

[BenBurch]

If you keep feeding the troll, how can you expect him to leave?

 

[BenBurch]

Precisely. I would just note that the verb form can refer to improvements in texture or other qualities as well as flavor. The verb "to season" means to add zest to, to improve the quality of.

Several meanings apply.

See; http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=season

Particularly;

...

# S: (v) season, flavor, flavour (lend flavor to) "Season the chicken breast after roasting it"

...

# S: (v) temper, season, mollify (make more temperate, acceptable, or suitable by adding something else; moderate) "she tempered her criticism"

 

[JoelKatz]

If you keep feeding the troll, how can you expect him to leave?

I'm trying to raise my post count for egoboo purposes. And that's one more right there.

 

[slingblade]

If you keep feeding the troll, how can you expect him to leave?

Who cares if he leaves? He's serving a useful purpose, really.

 

[deepatrax]

I go to Taco Bell to eat healthy and I DEMAND that they cater to my healthy needs and use only the finest cuts of meat!

Oh and keep the price under $1...thanks!