Syria and UN Security Council Decision

[Childlike Empress]

Also Russia and China didn't veto the no-fly zone over Libya, but were then pretty pissed (it seemed) at how the original nfz turned into a 'bomb the rebels into power' NATO war. I wonder if the Russian/Chinese intransigence over Syria may be linked to this 'get an inch, take a country' approach used by NATO et al?

Explicitly, yes. Here's Lavrov.

lol

those "journalists" aren't even speaking english

nice try CLE.

nice try.

 

[Virus]

Why do trust the propaganda outlet of a KGB-Mafia state that murders its own journalists?

 

[Childlike Empress]

Meanwhile some, not all "Friends of Syria", especially superbestest friend Clinton have with complete disregard for international law decided that it would be a good idea for the future *cough* to heavily arm the "rebels". Which is already going on for several months, as we know.

[...] Syrian opposition spokesmen at the Tunis meeting told Reuters: “We are bringing in defensive and offensive weapons… It is coming from everywhere, including Western countries and it is not difficult to get anything through the borders.”

Other diplomats speaking in Tunis also backed military intervention, choosing their words to avoid confirming that it had already begun. Saudi Foreign Minister Saud al-Faisal called sending weapons and ammunition to pro-US forces in Syria “an excellent idea.” French and Qatari officials spoke in favor of sending forces into Syria to clear a path for “humanitarian corridors”—that is, conquering parts of Syria through which supplies can be sent to the “rebels.”

US officials’ statements made clear that, though they do not openly acknowledge it, they are supporting the Syrian “rebels” militarily. Speaking on Thursday in London, while meeting with British, French, German and Arab diplomats before the Tunis meeting, Clinton said Assad would face “increasingly capable opposition forces.” She added, “They will from somewhere, somehow find the means to defend themselves as well as begin offensive measures.”

Such comments expose the utterly deceitful character of the position of the US and its allies. Its hands dripping with the blood of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and Afghans killed and wounded in counter-insurgency campaigns by US occupation forces, the US government is preparing a new war on the basis of hypocritical claims that it considers Assad’s suppression of a foreign-backed insurgency to be intolerable. [...]

Congratulations btw, Crusaders, that you now not only have Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Al-Qaeda on your side, but also Hamas. Great success. Way to fight a War on Terror. Alla'hu Akbar! Here are your boys:

 

[Virus]

You take Communist newspapers seriously?

 

[Captain.Sassy]

Why do trust the propaganda outlet of a KGB-Mafia state that murders its own journalists?

Okay so instead of getting hysterical about the fact that this particular recording of the Russian foreign minister happened to be hosted on RT, why don't you explain (and you can use Fox News sources if you like) why Russia and China seemed reasonably OK with the Libya NFZ but are vetoing weaker measures against Syria.

 

[Pardalis]

I wonder how the ballots turned out in Homs. Oh right, there aren't any, the city is continuously being shelled.

Way to do referendums during a conflict.

 

[Pardalis]

Childlike continues on her streak of biased sources.

Russia today, World Socialist Website, and Telesur.

The brainwashing continues.

 

[Pardalis]

We all pretty much agree that a state has the 'right' to defend itself from armed insurrection / challenges to its power (I'm assuming).

The state in question is not a democracy, BTW. It's a 40 year old dictatorship.

Just a small detail you left out in your "thought experiment".

 

[Virus]

Okay so instead of getting hysterical about the fact that this particular recording of the Russian foreign minister happened to be hosted on RT, why don't you explain (and you can use Fox News sources if you like) why Russia and China seemed reasonably OK with the Libya NFZ but are vetoing weaker measures against Syria.

Why would the Russian arms industry want to lose another good customer?

 

[Childlike Empress]

I wonder how the ballots turned out in Homs. Oh right, there aren't any, the city is continuously being shelled.

Way to do referendums during a conflict.

You are aware that Homs is a city of over 800,000 people, right? The "rebels" are confined to a couple of neighbourhoods. If you want it detailed, this site is quite useful. Today in Homs:

• 5 explosions are heard in Karm Al-Zeitoun neighborhood and shooting between the Syrian Army and armed rebels who have centered in the neighborhood; another explosion happens in Al-Hamedia neighborhood.
• Activists: clashed between the Syrian Army and armed rebels take place in Baba Amr, Karm Al-Zeitoun, Al-Hamedia and Bostan Al-Dewan neighborhoods which prevented civilians from voting on the draft constitution.
• Unknowns burn stores in Al-Naa’oura souq nearby Al-Saa’a Al-Kadema; fire flames reached Al-Maskouf souq.
• Armed rebels shoot on Om Al-Zennar church located in Bostan Al-Dewan neighborhood and burn stores nearby it; pro-government activists say that stores owners were threatened before for their loyalty to the government.
• The Free Army Militia attacks Al-Baath party’s building in Al-Hamedia neighborhood; only material damages recorded.
• A foreign newspaper which participated in the negotiations held by the international committee of the Red Cross Organization: the Free Army Militia prevented us from entering Baba Amr neighborhood 2 times last night. The newspaper denies that the security force stopped 7 wounded people from going to the hospital.
• Syrian Red Crescent Organization denies the news reported by some media sources on the volunteers being exposed to shooting in Baba Amr neighborhood; it also denies any French journalists to accompany any of its vehicles to get foreign journalists out of the neighborhood.
• Anti-government activists talk about the killing of more than 20 soldiers and civilians in Al-Hamedia neighborhood while targeting military checkpoints and Al-Baath party’s building; they also broadcast a video shows the clashes between the Syrian Army and the gunmen.
• 8 mortar shells are fired on Al-Sabeel and Al-Abbasia neighborhoods resulting in the death of 4 civilians and the injury of 15 others; anti-government activists accuse radical Islamic militias of firing the shells.
• Anti-government gatherings occur in Al-Bayada, Al-Khaldia, Al-Kossour and Al-Waer Al-Kadeem neighborhoods; anti-government activists accuse the security force of killing 8 protesters.

Here's the video linked. It's titled "The Free Syrian Armytakes out Ba'ath party HQ in Homs, killing 60 "Assad thugs" and destroys 2 tanks." Pardalis, we are with your buddies the "peaceful protesters", the Baath Party HQ is across the street. Notice what's left of the tanks. Shows mostly shooting and no human casualties but maybe NFSW.

 

[Virus]

State propaganda.

 

[Childlike Empress]

One-trick pony.

 

[Pardalis]

Homs is the new Sarajevo.

 

[Childlike Empress]

The Nazi right is the new Hitler.

 

[trustbutverify]

The Hamas rats have jumped off the sinking ship but the Jref rats are hanging on for dear life. Maybe someone spiked their Sanka.

 

[Pardalis]

The Nazi right is the new Hitler.

The "new Hitler" being the authoritarian government, which is Assad's.

But you admire autocracies, we all know you're a fan of Castro, Ahmadinejad, Putin, Chávez and Assad. You must be secretly seeking a father figure.

 

[trustbutverify]

It's sad that so many courageous people must be raped, tortured, terrified and ripped apart by artillery just to maintain the regimes of the most brutal thugs on the planet. But the Nazi left and the Paultard right need their allies in their never ending imaginary internet war with the Illuminati!

 

[Childlike Empress]

But you admire autocracies, we all know you're a fan of Castro, Ahmadinejad, Putin, Chávez and Assad. You must be secretly seeking a father figure.

While you fancy the King of Saud, the Emir of Qatar, Ayman Al-Zawahiri and Hillary Clinton. You must be secretly seeking a mother figure as they all wear skirts.

 

[Virus]

One-trick pony.

I know you are.

You never answered my question. Why do you trust a state-run media outlet of a government that kills journalists?

 

[Pardalis]

While you fancy the King of Saud, the Emir of Qatar, Ayman Al-Zawahiri and Hillary Clinton. You must be secretly seeking a mother figure as they all wear skirts.

Show me a thread where I've defended these people.

I can easily find threads where you've defended Chávez Assad and Putin.