Sylvia Browne has had a heart attack

Having read through this thread, I realize I don't wish harm to her. I just continue to wish, as I have for years now, that she would stop what she is doing.

As if my wishes mattered. If my wishes mattered, she would not have a heart attack; she would come forward and announce her scam to the world in the interest of educating people and in hopes of making it a better place before she dies. She would publically apologize to everyone she has hurt, whose trust she has betrayed, and show sincere remorse.

From a purely behavioral standpoint, if nature takes it upon itself to see that her behavior is stopped, the world will not be a worse place for such behavior having been stopped. That doesn't mean I would ever wish such a permanent solution upon her, or her family, for whom this is probably a scary time. She's not Ted Bundy.

Even so, if I said I wished her a speedy recovery, I would be a hypocrite. A speedy recovery to what - go back to what she was doing before? Capitalize on the experience to make more money? I don't wish her dead or suffering any more than I wish her back to operating in perfect health. I just wish she would grow a conscience and act on it.

I'm sure there are people out there who might wish suffering on her, who have been especially hurt by her, and I don't blame them, but I don't feel that way personally. A little well-deserved angst in Sylvia's life, yeah, but that's different.

And no way would I contribute to a "recovery fund" without a guarantee in return that should she recover fully, she would knock it off and come clean.
 
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SeekingTruth said:
With the first breath they (the ministers of Novus Spiritus)ask for prayers for Sylvia...with their second breath, they ask for money. How typical!
Doesn't ANYONE in that office see how tacky that letter is? I can hear them now...geez, how are we going to support our luxurious lifestyles if Sylvia is no longer around. Let's use this to get as much money in here as we can just in case she dies.
Those people make me sick!
And if they really believe the crap she spouts, then they shouldn't be too worried...after all, she's not supposed to die until she's 88. Sylvia herself said so!
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I thought this too about the money thing, though my first thought is to wonder if it's Sylvia behind this. I could see (maybe) if it was 2 months later and she's been in rehab or something. But it's been 4 days! And she just finished a salon, which rakes in, what $30,000 or so?
 
Crossbow said:
Why donate at all?

Because if Sylvia Browne survives this attack, then she will just write a book about her 'personal/spirtual/special meeting with God/Allah/whatever' and make a couple extra million that way.
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QFT.
 
ExMinister said:
<snip>She's not Ted Bundy.<snip>
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No, she isn't. But in one sense, Browne is almost worse. Bundy was a complete sociopath. He destroyed lives as a result of a behavioral disorder that he could not control and which could not be eradicated. For that, he could be pitied.

Judging from the efforts she makes to avoid exposure, such as welching on her agreement to take the MDC, Browne clearly knows she is a fraud. She freely chooses her path, and also freely chooses to ignore the devastation she leaves in her wake.

Browne inspires neither compassion nor pity, so it's not surprising that people might be indifferent to her plight.
 
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caniswalensis said:
So, if you are not rejoicing, but feel no compassion, would you say this is a non-issue for you? Something you just do not care about one way or the other?
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Oh, I do care: This situation is a massive eff-up on her part. It demonstrates very clearly what a fraud she is.

That she suffers is regrettable. But that doesn't mean we'd have to tiptoe around the issue, does it? It wasn't wrong to wonder why she didn't foresee the tsunami, it wasn't wrong to wonder why she has been wrong on specific predctions in the past and it is, likewise, not wrong to question the implications of the current situation.

The beauty of it is: She is either a fraud, or - per her claimed religious believes and supernatural abilities - not in a situation that would command any pity from anyone.

If her various claims are true, then this is what she wanted and planned for her life -regardless of the outcome. Why would we be asked to pray for her, even?

Furthermore, whatever one may feel about this - she is not being "punished". A punishment is decided upon based on the details of what one did. I didn't in any way decide that she should suffer a heart attack, nor did anyone else. No one could have.

The question of what one should have decided if given the option is pointless in the extreme.

It may be sad if people rejoice at someones death, but that doesn't mean it is unjustified. Personally, I would prefer if she admitted to what she is and what she has done, but in the greater scheme of things her inability to continue will be a good thing.
 
Rasmus said:
That she suffers is regrettable. But that doesn't mean we'd have to tiptoe around the issue, does it?
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I am most definitely not tiptoeing or advising others to tiptoe. I have stated plainly and unambigously how I feel about SB, her career, and her current situation.


Rasmus said:
Furthermore, whatever one may feel about this - she is not being "punished". A punishment is decided upon based on the details of what one did. I didn't in any way decide that she should suffer a heart attack, nor did anyone else. No one could have.

The question of what one should have decided if given the option is pointless in the extreme.

It may be sad if people rejoice at someones death, but that doesn't mean it is unjustified. Personally, I would prefer if she admitted to what she is and what she has done, but in the greater scheme of things her inability to continue will be a good thing.
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I never said this was punishment, and while it may seem pointless to you to think in such terms, that is how I calculate these things. You couldn't really have thought that I was suggesting someone decided she would have a heart attack, could you? :) I do not think she deserves to die for her swindle schemes, so I do not wish death upon her. It's a simple as that and far from pointless, IMO. It is a decent, if subjective method for keeping such things in perspective. If you have your own method, by all means use that. I was simply outlining my thought process.

Do you think she deserves to die for what she has done?
 
Just as a tangential thought: There are many more people I think JREF could donate money to than SB. People who are suffering through no fault of their own, who haven't gone out of their way to lie to and hurt people who trusted and believed in them.

(I assume the donation idea was just a passing thought and not meant to be taken seriously, but I had to weigh in on it anyway).
 
I know it would be legally and ethically wrong, but... I wish she was filmed expressing fear during the MI. With all her supposed contacts with the afterlife, she should be ecstatic about passing and completely fearless.
 
I have said in the past, this is not the way I wanted her stopped. Novus' trying to milk this for donations is despicable but not unexpected. This is not a time for cheap jokes at her expense. Whatever she has done, and however we feel about her, she is a human being with family who love her, including grandchildren, who are probably very worried about her. If I still had the ability to update the site, I would mostlikely add what I have said here to the front page. As far as SSB emails, I only received one mentioning this, saying that perhaps God was Stopping her.
 
RSLancastr said:
I have said in the past, this is not the way I wanted her stopped. Novus' trying to milk this for donations is despicable but not unexpected. This is not a time for cheap jokes at her expense. Whatever she has done, and however we feel about her, she is a human being with family who love her, including grandchildren, who are probably very worried about her. If I still had the ability to update the site, I would mostlikely add what I have said here to the front page. As far as SSB emails, I only received one mentioning this, saying that perhaps God was Stopping her.
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:( Well, if you read back through my posts, you will see that I support what you say. I am a big one to laugh at tasteless jokes, though. my bad.
 
ExMinister said:
I thought this too about the money thing, though my first thought is to wonder if it's Sylvia behind this. I could see (maybe) if it was 2 months later and she's been in rehab or something. But it's been 4 days! And she just finished a salon, which rakes in, what $30,000 or so?
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I apologize for my ignorance, but what is a salon?

It would be so wonderful if Sylvia took this health scare and turned it into something positive, as many people who survive an experience like this do. She can't take it with her when she dies, yet she uses this to ask for yet more money. Reprehensible.
 
wasapi said:
I apologize for my ignorance, but what is a salon?
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If it is like the Salons that were held in Campbell, CA, it is an event where 20-30 of her fans/followers watch her "channel" her Spirit Guide Francine. Each person gets to ask (I believe) three questions. Cost to attend: $1,000.

It would be so wonderful if Sylvia took this health scare and turned it into something positive, as many people who survive an experience like this do. She can't take it with her when she dies, yet she uses this to ask for yet more money. Reprehensible.
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Actually, it appears that it is her staff and ministers, not Sylvia, who is doing the fundraising. Would she approve it, were she awake and aware? Hard to say. She obviously has never been one to pass up an opportunity to ask for money, but perhaps, with her life in the balance, she might feel differently about it.
 
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I find myself wondering what the reaction would be if she received very pleasant and heartfelt get well notes from RSL and Randi.
 
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