Sylvia Browne has had a heart attack

oh dear...
Frankly, I have a feeling she's in a really nice hotel and thought "you know I need a break". Put out you've had a heart attack and you can take off and get donations.

Call me a skeptic, but what hospital is she at?
 
NobbyNobbs said:
I find myself wondering what the reaction would be if she received very pleasant and heartfelt get well notes from RSL and Randi.
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@ canis: this was somewhat along the lines of my point ... but for much different reasons. It wasn't to "test the reactions" of anyone, rather, it was to take what I personally would consider a REAL road. Not high, or low ...

caniswalensis said:
I think I am getting confused. :boggled::D

I am confused about what you are getting at when you suggest "using her to prove a point" and then say "compassion can exist without the need for exploitive nonsense."

I think that rather than offer to pay for her treatments and then publically wishing death n her, the skeptical community would be better served to take the high road and publically wish her a return to good health & pain free living.
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Yeah .... I understand this point.

But for me personally, it wouldn't be intellecutaly honest. I have no problem saying that I am glad someone was dead. I don't wish suffering on people ... but death? There are several people I wouldn't mind being rid of.

So with that in mind, my original comment was geared towards the idea that those who wish the world to be rid of her, would show a sort of acceptance about their own stance: so much so, that they could offer to show a move of support for her financially ---- but NOT for her. It would be for those who follow her that an "example would be set" and a "point would be made." It's a move of compassion for those who look to her like a sheep without a shepherd ... but then see a move of compassion and honesty towards her from her own critics.

A "wish you well," to her would be disengenuous (sp) for the most part, and only show underlying bitterness. But an honest approach would set an example that, perhaps those followers who teeter between believing in her and feeling gipped by her, would see and be willing to examine a critical view of her. It's the bees with honey idea. But it is exploiting her somewhat :).

My post was obviously hypothetical ... as I don't see anyone likely doing this for the reasons I mentioned. But .... when someone is lying and cheating and exploiting others, knowingly doing so with full knowledge ... to me, they are fair game in this way: they are perhaps a pawn to be used. If there were hope for her "redemption" ... then it would perhaps even be best served by using her in whatever way suits the moment.

It's not that I don't view her as a human being ... it's more the idea that she traded out, willingly, her right to be treated with dignity and respect. Perhaps this isn't the high road or the low road approach ... but something else ...
 
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I'm perfectly happy to wish her dead. The world will be a slightly better place for her passing.
 
Trent Wray said:
@ canis: this was somewhat along the lines of my point ... but for much different reasons. It wasn't to "test the reactions" of anyone, rather, it was to take what I personally would consider a REAL road. Not high, or low ...

Yeah .... I understand this point.

But for me personally, it wouldn't be intellecutaly honest. I have no problem saying that I am glad someone was dead. I don't wish suffering on people ... but death? There are several people I wouldn't mind being rid of.

So with that in mind, my original comment was geared towards the idea that those who wish the world to be rid of her, would show a sort of acceptance about their own stance: so much so, that they could offer to show a move of support for her financially ---- but NOT for her. It would be for those who follow her that an "example would be set" and a "point would be made." It's a move of compassion for those who look to her like a sheep without a shepherd ... but then see a move of compassion and honesty towards her from her own critics.

A "wish you well," to her would be disengenuous (sp) for the most part, and only show underlying bitterness. But an honest approach would set an example that, perhaps those followers who teeter between believing in her and feeling gipped by her, would see and be willing to examine a critical view of her. It's the bees with honey idea. But it is exploiting her somewhat :).

My post was obviously hypothetical ... as I don't see anyone likely doing this for the reasons I mentioned. But .... when someone is lying and cheating and exploiting others, knowingly doing so with full knowledge ... to me, they are fair game in this way: they are perhaps a pawn to be used. If there were hope for her "redemption" ... then it would perhaps even be best served by using her in whatever way suits the moment.

It's not that I don't view her as a human being ... it's more the idea that she traded out, willingly, her right to be treated with dignity and respect. Perhaps this isn't the high road or the low road approach ... but something else ...
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Hey, Thanks for the well written explanation. I sincerely appreciate it. :) I understand what you are saying better now. While we are not fully in accord, I see your points and they are not unreasonable.

Take care, Canis
 
When you go to Sylvia's website, http://www.sylviabrowne.com/ you see the following:

Urgent Announcement Concerning Sylvia from Novus Spiritus®
On March 21, 2011 our beloved Sylvia Browne suffered a heart attack while in Hawaii. Click here to read the full announcement and to find more information about how you can help us spread this "light in a dark and lonely desert".

The "click here" links to this: http://www.sylviabrowne.com/images/pdf/novusdonate.pdf (The novusdonate at the end of the URL says it all). The ministers at Novus Spiritus "love" Sylvia so much the thing utmost on their minds is how can we capitalize on her heart attack...... They are all sick, perverted, dispicable people! I don't believe Sylvia knows about this notice that was sent out...that's all the doings of the likes of Michael, Darren, Vera, Sheila and the rest of the old timers there...they're the ones who will be looking for a way to pay their bills once she's gone. Her son is not going to support the church...well, not that Sylvia ever did either, but that's how they keep the money rolling in.

As others have said, I don't wish for her death, I only wish for her to be stopped and for those who believe in her to finally see her for what she is.
 
If I recall, there were some pretty nasty comments from her camp or followers when RSL had his illness, somehow saying it was his actions and beliefs against Sylvia that caused it. I wonder how they justify that in light of Sylvia's illness?
 
RSLancastr said:
If it is like the Salons that were held in Campbell, CA, it is an event where 20-30 of her fans/followers watch her "channel" her Spirit Guide Francine. Each person gets to ask (I believe) three questions. Cost to attend: $1,000.....snip.
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What is your quest type of stuff???

glenn:boxedin:
 
Sledge said:
Freak steamroller accident?
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Accident?

Seriously though, if she was 25 I'd say, yeah, go on, die, but I'd like to see her suffer for her crimes before she dies. Which are crimes, although they're legal. If some bloke goes round telling old ladies their roof needs mending and charging them £4000 for climbing up a ladder, I don't think to myself "I hope you die wealthy in Hawaii at the age of 74, you bastard!"

As Solon said to Croesus, no man can be called happy until he is dead, because until then he cannot know what dreadful fate may befall him next. I'm paraphrasing.
 
Denver said:
If I recall, there were some pretty nasty comments from her camp or followers when RSL had his illness, somehow saying it was his actions and beliefs against Sylvia that caused it. I wonder how they justify that in light of Sylvia's illness?
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I can just hear how they justify this illness:

"She has just worked so HARD to support all of us, to support the mission of Novus Spiritus, practically SINGLE-handedly to bring this LIGHT unto the world, she never rests, just keeps going, it finally caught up with her, a real martyr..."

Like that.

I'd bet on it.
 
She is 74 and a smoker.

While many people can survive having a myocardial infarction (or several), the prognosis is not great for her unless she quits smoking.

It is quite amazing the Wiki site is already updated to state she has had a heart attack.
 
Start a public fundraiser for her, but she can only collect if she guesses the correct amount of money. If she fails, the money will be used to campaign against her.
 
Denver said:
If I recall, there were some pretty nasty comments from her camp or followers when RSL had his illness, somehow saying it was his actions and beliefs against Sylvia that caused it.
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Did they? I certainly expected it, but don't recall reading any.

I wonder how they justify that in light of Sylvia's illness?
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Bad things happen to Dark Entities (like me) because of Kharma (which Browne sometimes says exists and other times says doesn't), but bad things happen to White Entities (like Browne) because she "charted" those things before being born in order to teach herself a "life lesson" she needed to learn.

I have also been told that she said to people in her office that I had my stroke, and Randi got cancer, because she prayed to "Mother Azna" that we be stopped.

How... "spiritual".

I think she says that Good things happen to White entities (like herself) because of Kharma. Not sure why she would say that good things happen to Dark entities (like me) though.
 
When I read this thread title I threw my hands into the air and cheered.


Call me a terrible person if you want to, but at least I'm not a hypocrite.
 
RSLancastr said:
Did they? I certainly expected it, but don't recall reading any.



Bad things happen to Dark Entities (like me) because of Kharma (which Browne sometimes says exists and other times says doesn't), but bad things happen to White Entities (like Browne) because she "charted" those things before being born in order to teach herself a "life lesson" she needed to learn.

I have also been told that she said to people in her office that I had my stroke, and Randi got cancer, because she prayed to "Mother Azna" that we be stopped.

How... "spiritual".

I think she says that Good things happen to White entities (like herself) because of Kharma. Not sure why she would say that good things happen to Dark entities (like me) though.
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I do remember that thread and discussion Denver mentioned.

Yes, bad things happen to dark entities because people like Sylvia and her followers pray and her idea of god/goddess intervene.

She never claims karma for herself. She is beyond that. She is a mission life entity/mystical traveler (whatever) with a special mission to carry out. Ordinary white entities have karma, not Sylvia.

An event like this is seen as a battle wound, not karma.
 
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