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SweatyYeti's Martian Civilization Evidence Thread

OH MY GOD, it's a relatively large rock in an area where there are no other rocks of that size, and part of its side is angled such as to be highly reflective in the Martian sunlight at that time. The only logical conclusion is that there must have been an intelligent civilization on Mars.
 
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And Pixar Films just announced that they willl be doing a combined Live Action/CGI animated film of Burrough's "A Princess Of Mars".
It's a conspiracy, I tell you.....
 
What I don't get is why does nasa hate funding, I mean if they found a real artifact like those mentioned on mars, do you have any idea how much more funding they could get?

Can you say manned mission to mars?
 
Why is it that some have a hard time of letting go of the romantic ideas to embrace the reality? Like others on these boards I would LOVE for them to find any type of evidence that pointed to life on mars, past or present. I was excited about that rock they found in Antarctica with the (alleged) fossilized tiny organisms. Although through further examinations that may not be fossilized whatchamacallits after all.

I looked at every one of the pictures posted here and the "evidence" in them is a far reach. Everyone has no proof it was not a naturally occurring phenomena.

Any proof of life outside of Earth would be the find of the millennium, no matter how small and non-intelligent. I look forward to the day, but these pictures do not get me excited in the least.
 
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Ive seen pictures before of rocks thta have been carved in such a way as to look like a human face and also a picture of one rock structure in a desert that looks like a giant penis
 
EarlFaulk said:
Ive seen pictures before of rocks thta have been carved in such a way as to look like a human face and also a picture of one rock structure in a desert that looks like a giant penis
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It should be noted that some rocks are carved by humans, and some by natural processes. Either of them can look like a penis.
 
ponderingturtle said:
What I don't get is why does nasa hate funding, I mean if they found a real artifact like those mentioned on mars, do you have any idea how much more funding they could get?

Can you say manned mission to mars?
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Let's say NASA found a formation on Mars shaped amazingly like a human face...

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......what would they do with/about it???
A formation like that would certainly have the potential to be an artificial formation....and therefore should be given the most thorough, and intellectually honest evaluation possible.


Well, this is exactly what NASA would, and did, do with it...in 1998, when the supposed "high-resolution" MGS image of it arrived...:)...

After JPL removed most of the tonal variation in the original image that gives the observer the visual cues to the real three-dimensional shape of the object....

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....they added false visual cues to give the object its rough, jumbled appearance, inadvertently falsifying the appearance of the surrounding terrain as well.Whether JPL used a commercial product like Photoshop and its noise and embossing filters or simply abused their in-house Vicar image-processing software is not known. But the results are much the same.

The Catbox is not a "poor" enhancement, as it is often called; it is a crude but very effective fraud perpetrated by employees or contractors to the United States government. Even if the Face is proven to be completely natural, this is inexcusable misconduct and a gross abuse of power. If the Face ultimately is proven to be artificial, the Catbox will certainly come to be regarded as the greatest, most malicious, and most destructive scientific hoax since the Piltdown Man, and perhaps of all time.
--- Lan Fleming
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Link to article:

http://www.vgl.org/webfiles/mars/face/catbox2.htm


Here's the catbox image "fixed-up" a little....

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NASA......"Searching for signs of life, across the Universe". :covereyes
 
SweatyYeti said:
Well, this is exactly what NASA would, and did, do with it...in 1998, when the supposed "high-resolution" MGS image of it arrived...:)...
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Lan Fleming and others who are proponents of the face siezed on this image when they did not get what they wanted. The new image still does not look very "face-like".
Fleming wants everyone to believe that the "catbox" image was the only image sent out by JPL. The real truth about this image is the raw image was loaded on the JPL website for all to look at 1030AM PDT on 6 April 1998. At 1:45 PM PDT, the MIPL Image was released (the "catbox image"). The TJP image which is a corrected image similar to the "accepted image" was released at 5:45 PM PDT. There was only 4 hours between the "catbox" and the final "accepted" version. From these four hours a grand conspiracy is created by face proponents. You can see the timeline here:

http://mpfwww.jpl.nasa.gov/mgs/target/
 
Astrophotographer said:
Lan Fleming and others who are proponents of the face siezed on this image when they did not get what they wanted. The new image still does not look very "face-like".
Fleming wants everyone to believe that the "catbox" image was the only image sent out by JPL. The real truth about this image is the raw image was loaded on the JPL website for all to look at 1030AM PDT on 6 April 1998. At 1:45 PM PDT, the MIPL Image was released (the "catbox image"). The TJP image which is a corrected image similar to the "accepted image" was released at 5:45 PM PDT. There was only 4 hours between the "catbox" and the final "accepted" version. From these four hours a grand conspiracy is created by face proponents. You can see the timeline here:

http://mpfwww.jpl.nasa.gov/mgs/target/
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Thanks for the additional info, Astro.

But, nonetheless, the boys at NASA still produced and delivered an inaccurate view of the Face.

Here is their comparison image, from the page you linked to:

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In the 1998 image, the contrast, and consequently the vertical dimension of the Face is missing.

In addition to the "flattening" of the Face, they took the image not from directly overhead, as the Viking image was, but.....in their words....

the non-vertical viewing angle (about 45° from vertical),
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This is yet another distortion of the Face.

NASA deliberately presented a distorted view of the Face to the world, in a long-awaited "high-resolution" look at it. As a result of this worthless image, all serious interest by the mainstream media and the general public was effectively killed.


But wait....there's more...:).....

In 2001, the MGS took a real high-res image of the Face, and.....against all odds....details of an eye appeared....

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For comparison...here is the original Viking image...showing the large dark area that gave the impression of an 'eye'...

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How there happened to be anything at all within that dark area, even remotely looking like a detailed eye is beyond me.
That is truly 'against all odds'.
 
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Cainkane1 said:
Mars has never been inhabitated by an intelligent species. There may be life there but it was never smart.
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I wonder how you come to this conclusion. Do you have evidence the rest of us don't?
That's a fairly bold assertion.
Was the sun hotter 3 billion years ago? Was there a time in the solar system when Mars was more hospitable to life due to solar conditions we are unaware of?
Why can't the sun have cooled allowing life on earth, while dooming life on Mars?
I don't know. I guess that's why we went to look, and to try to find out.
 
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pchams said:
I wonder how you come to this conclusion. Do you have evidence the rest of us don't?
That's a fairly bold assertion.
Was the sun hotter 3 billion years ago? Was there a time in the solar system when Mars was more hospitable to life due to solar conditions we are unaware of?
Why can't the sun have cooled allowing life on earth, while dooming life on Mars?
I don't know. I guess that's why we went to look, and to try to find out.
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Great post, pchams. :)

For anyone to state, as if they know it, that..."Mars has never been inhabitated by an intelligent species."....is simply the ultimate in arrogance.
Space, and time, cover many milllions of years and gazillions of miles...how anyone can know something didn't happen on Mars in the past is, well, hard to figure!


Here's a little something to read....a theory about Mars' past...

http://www.metaresearch.org/solar%20system/cydonia/mrb_cydonia/new-evidence.asp


A couple of excerpts from it...

Yet another consequence of proximity to a planetary explosion would be to blow away a substantial part of the original atmosphere of Mars. Again, there is evidence that Mars could have supported, and probably actually possessed, a thicker atmosphere in the past (Lammer, 1996). This old atmosphere might have had a surface pressure up to 10 bars, a factor of 1000 greater than for the present martian atmosphere, and ten times thicker than Earth's atmosphere.
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We draw attention to the fact that the Cydonia area is right on the old martian equator, and the "Face" is oriented perpendicular to that old equator, to within the measurement uncertainties. This has only about a 1% probability of occurring by chance. Both the line of inquiry that led to this discovery and a possible purpose for building such an artificial structure looking into space were suggested by the exploded planet hypothesis.

Taken in conjunction with the finding of bilateral symmetry in the Face and the anomalous nature of other nearby objects on Mars, the weight of existing evidence has, in this author's opinion, shifted in favor of an artificial origin of the Cydonia complex.
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I don't think we've seen any evidence of any life on Mars yet, but to dismiss it so boldly as impossible seems contrary to an enquiring mind.
Let us not suffocate the exploring sense of our human mind.
If what we discover can disprove wild theories, so much the better our understanding.
 
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SweatyYeti said:
But, nonetheless, the boys at NASA still produced and delivered an inaccurate view of the Face.
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In your opinion. The MIPL image was the first processed image and the raw images were out there for others to process. Within 8 hours, the processed image was complete. The reason for shooting at an angle was because that was where the MGS was in relation to the site. It was not a direct flyover. However, what Fleming et al. do not tell everyone is that they were crying that the MGS should image the face as soon as possible even at odd angles. When MGS did shoot at such an angle at its first opportunity, it resulted in this image. They then cry conspiracy. Had the team decided not to photograph the area because of the angle, the cry of conspiracy and coverup would have been that JPL did not want to photograph that area because it would reveal the face. JPL loses either way and the conspiracy fanatics win either way.


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How there happened to be anything at all within that dark area, even remotely looking like a detailed eye is beyond me.
That is truly 'against all odds'.
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Hmmmmm...on a plant full of craters, potholes, rockpiles, etc. you consider it "against all odds" that there might be a depression in this area of a hill? Mind if you show me how you calculated "against all odds"? Sounds like a bogus claim to me. Where is the other "eye" on the other side of the face then? Then you might have a better claim. One depression on this hill does not mean it is an "eye".
 
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Okay, let's say for argument's sake there was some ancient technological civilization of Martians at some point. This structure, whatever it is, is presumably far older than the human race, right? Then how did they know what a human face would look like? And how come it only looks kinda like a face in the oldest, grainiest, lowest-resolution photo?

What would really be surprising is if you could scan every picture of Mars ever taken and not find anything that jumps out as a human face to human perceptions, which are so prone to finding human faces in patterns that a colon and a parenthesis does the job.

And by the way, there's a "face" in Alberta, Canada which blows the Cydonia "face" out of the water:
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SweatyYeti said:
But wait....there's more...:).....

In 2001, the MGS took a real high-res image of the Face, and.....against all odds....details of an eye appeared....
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Actually, when you look at the MRO image:

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You will see that the "details" you claim are there are not in the correct place for an "eye". The "eye" is actually hanging off the eyebrow and not placed in the "eye socket" of the "face". Therefore, you claim of "against all odds" is beginning to look more like wishful thinking than actual "fact".
 
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Diagoras said:
And by the way, there's a "face" in Alberta, Canada which blows the Cydonia "face" out of the water:
[qimg]http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/4/2006/10/googlemap_indian.jpg[/qimg]
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Amazing - it's not only a face, it's instantly recognisable as Queen Nefertiti!
 
I notice the picture above from the Enterprise Mission, run by "He-who-knows-not-reality" Richard Hoagland. You people are behind the times. Last I heard, he was claiming that it's not a human face, but half-human, half-lion. Specifically, the left half is human, the right half is lion. Or that's what he's been claiming since the hi-res images came out...

It's all part of his "NASA missions are all scheduled by some ancient Egyptian mathematics and rituals and stuff" schtick.
 
arthwollipot said:
It should be noted that some rocks are carved by humans, and some by natural processes. Either of them can look like a penis.
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I should of put in there by possible natural processes. BTW, on one of the coasts of japan there is a huge underwater pyramid like structure that seems to go all the way up to the land above water that some believe is man made others believe it was due to the unique currents in that part of the ocean.
 
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