Susan McElwein Interview

[LashL]

There is also a report about Indian Lake residents making 911 calls about a low flying plane "breaking up over their homes."

Evidence, please.

Obviously as Indian Lake is over 2 miles away, Jim saw the plane breaking apart in the air.

You cannot logically make that leap without more. No matter how well it suits your fantasy world to do so.

And most likely there would be smoke coming from the plane, please reference Ed Felt's phone call which I have brought up numerous times to your disliking.

Yet none of the witnesses you have referenced say that there was smoke coming from the plane. What do you make of that?

Yeah, I'm curious about this too.

TC, what PRECISELY were their words to you? What is the name of the person you spoke to?

Oh, and with regard to your fantasy about truck bombs, please provide the names of the officers who stopped the trucks, their written reports, photographs and a transcript of your interview with the officers.

Cheers

I, too, am interested in this. Terrorcell, why are you avoiding these questions?

Edward Felt reported an explosion and white smoke coming from the plane and said they were going down.

Yes, he did. But it appears that no other reports - from onboard the plane or from the ground - corroborate Mr. Felt's account. It is possible that he was simply mistaken, or that the person to whom he was speaking misheard or misunderstood him. It is also possible that there was a loud noise that he described as an "explosion" and that there was some kind of white smoke that he saw, neither of which would be surprising in the final moments of a deliberate nose-down crashing of a large airliner at high speed. Unfortunately, everyone on the airplane died in the crash, so it is unlikely that we will ever know for certain what Mr. Felt was describing or whether it was accurate.

As an aside, since there are no Airfones in the lavatories, can I take it that you are not a proponent of the "cell phones don't work on airplanes" CT, since you accept Mr. Felt's cell phone call as legitimate?

Jim Stop saw a plane flying low over Indian Lake "breaking up" in the air.

Those are the not the words attributed to him in the link you posted previously. If he did not use those words, you should stop attributing them to him in quotation marks. If he did use those words, you should provide evidence of same.

Numerous Indian Lake residents made 911 calls about a 'low flying plane breaking up over their homes.'

As above. You keep using those words in quotation marks but you have not provided any source that attributes those words to any particular individual.

Westmoreland County 911 Operators have gag orders.

Evidence, please. You have been asked for this repeatedly and you have not yet provided any.

Johnstown ATC has gag orders.

Evidence, please. As above, you have been asked for this repeatedly and you have not yet provided any.

There was nearly a mile between engine #1 & engine #2.

Evidence, please.

And now apply some critical thinking.

Once you provide some evidence for your claims, there will be something substantive to discuss. So, get to it.

DNA was also recovered from Indian Lake and New Baltimore.

Evidence, please.

 

[Gravy]

I believe the plane Ed Felt was on was shot down.

So where did it crash, "researcher?"

Fourth time: what evidence will make you believe that flight 93 crashed near Shanksville?

Also, do you believe that Wallace Miller identified 12 flight 93 passengers through fingerprints and dental records, or do you believe he is lying?

Don't be a fearful little baby. Be a man and answer the questions.

 

[T.A.M.]

LashL:

For the record, this is the quote he is referring to wrt the alleged plane "breaking up" in the sky....

Meanwhile, investigators also are combing a second crime scene in nearby Indian Lake, where residents reported hearing the doomed jetliner flying over at a low altitude before "falling apart on their homes."

"People were calling in and reporting pieces of plane falling," a state trooper said.

Jim Stop reported he had seen the hijacked Boeing 757 fly over him as he was fishing. He said he could see parts falling from the plane.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_47536.html

TAM

 

[T.A.M.]

I suspect the reporter has worded his tale poorly, as it probably should have read...

"residents reported hearing the doomed jetliner fly over head just prior to it crashing and subsequently raining down in little bits atop their homes..."

but maybe I am wrong. The only way to know for sure is to talk to the reporter, and/or those he spoke with.

TAM

 

[R.Mackey]

I'd be willing to bet that Mr. Felt was witnessing condensation off of the wings or control surfaces, not actual smoke. The plane was being flown at absurdly high speeds and beyond the envelope of its performance.

The debris field is consistent with an intact CFIT, as is the FDR. Mid-air breakup also should have been spotted on radar. Didn't happen. Next claim, please.

 

[Gravy]

I'd be willing to bet that Mr. Felt was witnessing condensation off of the wings or control surfaces, not actual smoke. The plane was being flown at absurdly high speeds and beyond the envelope of its performance.

It's unknown if Felt meant smoke inside or outside the plane. If inside, it may have been a fire extinguisher. I've read that the extinguishers used in those planes make a loud pop when activated.

 

[Corsair 115]

A mile is 1600 yards or more.

[Nitpick alert]

A statute mile is 1,760 yards. A nautical mile is slightly over 2,025 yards.

[/Nitpick alert]

 

[TC329]

Shoot down or Faked plane crash site? Which one?

Well for Ed Felt to be reporting an explosion and white smoke on a plane and Indian Lake residents reporting a plane breaking up on their houses, and a 8 mile debris field and 3 other planes........

I'm sure you can make your decision.

 

[TC329]

Edward Felt may have experienced in those final seconds the break up of the plane, as it twisted and dove into the earth. Are you telling me that there is no way that the manuevering of the plane itself could not have caused loud noises, and smoke aboard the plane in the final seconds prior to the crash?

You are theorizing Felt was reporting what was happening in the front of the plane while it is slamming into the ground at 500MPH from the back of the plane?



Really?

You have no proof of this alleged vehicle. No photos, no legal documents confirming it was there do you? You have descriptions that lead you to believe it was this type of vehicle, correct?

Eyewitnesses are proof. Like when an eyewitness testifies to seeing Person A shoot Person B that is considered PROOF.

I have eyewitness accounts. Like when an eyewitness desribes a murderer as being 6'3", 200 pds, caucasian, blonde hair, blue eyes, and a tattoo across his face saying "killer".

Change "debris field" to "debris" and I am happy with the three locations you mention.

No, they're debris fields. I've spoken with people. They sectioned off a real big area in New Baltimore.

Please present your evidence of the fighter jets and the UAV...I don't recall it...even a link to it would be nice.

I will present all the evidence when it is all compiled. This is still an ongoing investigation.

A mile is 1600 yards or more. Please prove to me where authorities have stated that the distance between the two engines of UA93 was this distance.

Can you seriously look up anything on your own?

Please show me written proof, or an OFFICIALS STATEMENT that says there was an official GAG order given to those institutions you mention.

Thanks

TAM

You're funny.

 

[Gravy]

Fifth time, TC329: what evidence will make you believe that flight 93 crashed near Shanksville?

Also, do you believe that Wallace Miller identified 12 flight 93 passengers through fingerprints and dental records, or do you believe he is lying?

Why are you unable to answer these simple questions? Is honesty really that difficult for you?

 

[TC329]

So where did it crash, "researcher?"

Fourth time: what evidence will make you believe that flight 93 crashed near Shanksville?

Also, do you believe that Wallace Miller identified 12 flight 93 passengers through fingerprints and dental records, or do you believe he is lying?

Don't be a fearful little baby. Be a man and answer the questions.

1) Indian Lake/Shanksville/New Baltimore

2) I just need proof that it is UA93. It's called positive identification.

3) I believe Wally Miller identified 12 people and still has 3 caskets of unidentifiable remains.

You're funny Mark. You tack your little snide comment onto the end of each post as if you are some sort of authoritative. But we all know you're a sock.

 

[T.A.M.]

1. What do loud noises and smoke have to do with the FRONT OF THE PLANE?
2. Don't patronize me, I am well aware of what witness testimony is. After I used the word proof, I then explained further, that I was speaking of physical evidence and documentation.
3. Ok, if you wish to call them debris fields because they were marked off, fine, call them that, but it does not change what was found within those fields...please enlighten us on what was found in each.
4. Don't flatter yourself. You are a guy with a camera and a microphone.
5. I can, and have looked up lots of things on my own, but when you make an argument, it is up to you to provide the evidence, the proof, not me.
6. Thank you, I do consider myself to be skilled in the art of humor.

Nice to see you back on the net again after what must have been a long and exhausting investigative stint.

TAM

 

[TC329]

1. What do loud noises and smoke have to do with the FRONT OF THE PLANE?

I'm not talking about noises. I'm talking about your theory that Felt was making his call while the plane was driving into the ground at 500+MPH.

2. Don't patronize me, I am well aware of what witness testimony is. After I used the word proof, I then explained further, that I was speaking of physical evidence and documentation.

I thought you needed a refresher course. Considering the physical proof is fenced off or deep inside Iron Mountain I have to use eyewitness testimony in hopes that their accounts can open a new investigation making the physical evidence accessible. Let's be realist here. You don't just show up at Iron Mountain and ask to see it.

3. Ok, if you wish to call them debris fields because they were marked off, fine, call them that, but it does not change what was found within those fields...please enlighten us on what was found in each.

Plane Debris.

4. Don't flatter yourself. You are a guy with a camera and a microphone.

Who gets off of his ass and goes ask the people who were actually there. Your sentence was incomplete.

5. I can, and have looked up lots of things on my own, but when you make an argument, it is up to you to provide the evidence, the proof, not me.

This is common knowledge ask Mark about the distance between the engines.

6. Thank you, I do consider myself to be skilled in the art of humor.

Nice to see you back on the net again after what must have been a long and exhausting investigative stint.

TAM

Yeah, You're like a pleasant prick.

 

[TC329]

Fifth evasion noted. You're a rare breed, TC. Good luck with that issue.

Now I can use the "hide threads for people on your ignore list." Rev91 started this thread and I've had to keep it open until I got a response from our very scared friend.

Refer back to post #291 the one you skipped again. You are not a rare breed Mark, not at all....

 

[A W Smith]

Error cell. provide a google earth snapshot marked up with these supposed "fenced off" debris areas. So we can identify the horses.

 

[fuelair]

If you want to avoid spin then watch the video. I deliberately didnt give my opinion in the opening post so you could make your own mind up.

I'm going out on a limb here and making the prediction that the "skeptics" here will just accuse her of lying or being confused.

One of the things I do for a living from time to time is help students and others make videos. One of my critique methods in the early stages (except when starting with completely inexperienced students) is to stop the process of observation at the first point any reasonable person would stop watching , explain why to the student, and have student fix that problem. In all the CT films/videos I have seen, this point comes early on and I stop watching - that includes this one. Simple rule for advocacy filming(and most other informational production):A)Script, shoot and edit well - you are not trying to showcase you or your skills, you are trying to get people to pay attention to your point. B)Tell audience what you will cover (entertainingly), cover it, tell them what you covered. What is fun/neat for you is likely wasted for the audience of this kind of production.

And, when YOU want people to get information YOU want them to have, do not expect them to waste time (not their job no matter what the topic). If you cannot quote the important material and must send to the source, say exactly where you want them to look for the exact point.
ost of us are not going through 40 minutes of some crap shooter video (I do not mean dice here) to catch a sentence you want us to hear - we have a real life.