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Susan McElwein Interview

Gravy said:
Why are you afraid to answer the question?

What will it take to make you believe that the remains and personal effects came from flight 93?
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I'm not, I did.

The personal effects belonged to the people who were on the plane destroyed on 9/11. To the best of my none of the planes on 9/11 have been positively identified.

If you have positive identification (i.e. something with a serial number) that confirms this flight was indeed UA93 I would love to see it.

Now let's talk about Ed Felt, John Shaw, Glenn Cramer, West Moreland County. Afraid to Gravy?
 
ref said:
TC, I already asked you this on page 6.

You said there were 2 fighters and 1 UAV at the scene at the exact time. You also said, that Johnstown ATC is not allowed to talk about it.

Who says there were 2 fighters, who says Johnstown ATC are not allowed to talk about something?
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Who says there were 2 fighters? Susan McElwain and other residents.

Who says there was an UAV? Susan McElwain, Dale Browning, Robin Duppstadt, John Fleegle, Jim Brandt, Lee Purbaugh, Dennis Decker, Ruth Ann Fisher, Robert Blair, and on and on and on and on.....

And I said Johnstown Air Traffic Control isn't allowed to talk about it because I spoke with them.
 
T.A.M. said:
Well I am doing just that, as I will only take a cached or archived version of the original as proof, not someones cherry picking or misquotes.

As a result, I have gone to the site of the paper...here is a list of all the articles in the "Terrorism" section for 9/13/2001. The rest of the paper has no articles related to witnesses...now, here is the list...



Any idea which article?

When I look up "Jim Stop" on google, the only thing I found from that paper, that was an actual article from the paper is this...

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_12942.html

Which is an article from 9/12/2001
Where I find this quote, the only time Mr. Stop is mentioned in it...



Now please tell me, you are not extrapolating from the above quote that he saw the plane "break up" overhead? Please tell me you are not doing that?

Now I will go through them all, as it is a great educational tool, but it would be easier if you simply told me which one of these articles, few of which from their title, would have this ADDITIONAL Quote from Mr. Stop that you have mentioned.

Thanks

TAM:)
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I hope you didn't get exhausted doing all that research....

This took 30 seconds to find:
Pittsburgh Tribune Review

Meanwhile, investigators also are combing a second crime scene in nearby Indian Lake, where residents reported hearing the doomed jetliner flying over at a low altitude before "falling apart on their homes."

"People were calling in and reporting pieces of plane falling," a state trooper said.

Jim Stop reported he had seen the hijacked Boeing 757 fly over him as he was fishing. He said he could see parts falling from the plane.
 
TC329 said:
Who says there were 2 fighters? Susan McElwain and other residents.

Who says there was an UAV? Susan McElwain, Dale Browning, Robin Duppstadt, John Fleegle, Jim Brandt, Lee Purbaugh, Dennis Decker, Ruth Ann Fisher, Robert Blair, and on and on and on and on.....

And I said Johnstown Air Traffic Control isn't allowed to talk about it because I spoke with them.
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Other residents? Could you be more specific?

The UAV wouldn't happen to be a Dassault Falcon 20 business jet or an unarmed C-130 cargo plane?

About Johnstown ATC. What did they say to you, or what did you say to them?

 
TC:

Here is the full quote:

Meanwhile, investigators also are combing a second crime scene in nearby Indian Lake, where residents reported hearing the doomed jetliner flying over at a low altitude before "falling apart on their homes."

"People were calling in and reporting pieces of plane falling," a state trooper said.

Jim Stop reported he had seen the hijacked Boeing 757 fly over him as he was fishing. He said he could see parts falling from the plane.

As yet, there have been no official reports of any human remains recovered from the lake area.
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http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_47536.html

Now, if we look at it we see two sentences, which you are stating are intimately related, but may not be...maybe you should interview him for clarification (ya like you will ask him non leading questions right?).

1.Jim Stop reported he had seen the hijacked Boeing 757 fly over him as he
was fishing.

2. He said he could see parts falling from the plane.

First of all, this is the reporters account of what Jim said. I see no quotes indicating his direct words within these two sentences.

Secondly, What the reporter tells us is that Jim saw the plane, which he says was a 757, fly overhead. The reporter then tells us that Jim saw parts falling from the plane. He doesnt say at what point, or what parts. He doesnt mention smoke or any of the like coming from it prior to crashing...how come...if a missile hit it, wouldnt their be smoke coming from it?

TAM:)
 
T.A.M. said:
TC:

Here is the full quote:



http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_47536.html

Now, if we look at it we see two sentences, which you are stating are intimately related, but may not be...maybe you should interview him for clarification (ya like you will ask him non leading questions right?).

1.Jim Stop reported he had seen the hijacked Boeing 757 fly over him as he
was fishing.

2. He said he could see parts falling from the plane.

First of all, this is the reporters account of what Jim said. I see no quotes indicating his direct words within these two sentences.

Secondly, What the reporter tells us is that Jim saw the plane, which he says was a 757, fly overhead. The reporter then tells us that Jim saw parts falling from the plane. He doesnt say at what point, or what parts. He doesnt mention smoke or any of the like coming from it prior to crashing...how come...if a missile hit it, wouldnt their be smoke coming from it?

TAM:)
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There is also a report about Indian Lake residents making 911 calls about a low flying plane "breaking up over their homes."

Obviously as Indian Lake is over 2 miles away, Jim saw the plane breaking apart in the air.

And most likely there would be smoke coming from the plane, please reference Ed Felt's phone call which I have brought up numerous times to your disliking.
 
How can you say I dislike the subject. Do you always take someone not addressing your issues as not liking it. Personally, off the top of my head, I only remember that he made it via a cellphone from the lavatory, at about 5000 feet elevation, just prior to the crash...that is all, off the top of my head that I remember...

Please, so that you will quit nagging, what do you want to say about it.

JHC

TAM:)
 
ref said:
About Johnstown ATC. What did they say to you, or what did you say to them?
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Yeah, I'm curious about this too.

TC, what PRECISELY were their words to you? What is the name of the person you spoke to?

Oh, and with regard to your fantasy about truck bombs, please provide the names of the officers who stopped the trucks, their written reports, photographs and a transcript of your interview with the officers.

Cheers
 
TC329 said:
There is also a report about Indian Lake residents making 911 calls about a low flying plane "breaking up over their homes."

Obviously as Indian Lake is over 2 miles away, Jim saw the plane breaking apart in the air.

And most likely there would be smoke coming from the plane, please reference Ed Felt's phone call which I have brought up numerous times to your disliking.
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TC:
Do you believe that the FDR on flight 93 was faked? For his report to be true it would have to be.
 
Third time, TC. Why are you afraid to answer this question?

You are going to meet with Wallace Miller. What will it take to make you believe that the remains and personal effects came from flight 93?

Don't be a little baby. Be a man and answer it.
 
T.A.M. said:
How can you say I dislike the subject. Do you always take someone not addressing your issues as not liking it. Personally, off the top of my head, I only remember that he made it via a cellphone from the lavatory, at about 5000 feet elevation, just prior to the crash...that is all, off the top of my head that I remember...

Please, so that you will quit nagging, what do you want to say about it.

JHC

TAM:)
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Edward Felt reported an explosion and white smoke coming from the plane and said they were going down.

Jim Stop saw a plane flying low over Indian Lake "breaking up" in the air.

Numerous Indian Lake residents made 911 calls about a 'low flying plane breaking up over their homes.'

There was some sort of highly classified United States Predator/Global Hawk type Unmanned Aerial Vehicle.

There was a debris field in Indian Lake.

There was a debris field in Shanksville.

There was a debris field in New Baltimore.

There were 2 fighter jets at the scene at the time along with the UAV and "UA93".

Westmoreland County 911 Operators have gag orders.

Johnstown ATC has gag orders.

There was nearly a mile between engine #1 & engine #2.

And now apply some critical thinking.
 
TC329 said:
Edward Felt reported an explosion and white smoke coming from the plane and said they were going down.

Jim Stop saw a plane flying low over Indian Lake "breaking up" in the air.

Numerous Indian Lake residents made 911 calls about a 'low flying plane breaking up over their homes.'

There was some sort of highly classified United States Predator/Global Hawk type Unmanned Aerial Vehicle.

There was a debris field in Indian Lake.

There was a debris field in Shanksville.

There was a debris field in New Baltimore.

There were 2 fighter jets at the scene at the time along with the UAV and "UA93".

Westmoreland County 911 Operators have gag orders.

Johnstown ATC has gag orders.

There was nearly a mile between engine #1 & engine #2.

And now apply some critical thinking.
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Have you ever gone over those claims, point-by-point, and applied the same 'critical thinking' that you demand we use to THEM? Here's a good question to ask any intrepid investigator: What is the official explanation for each of those points?

It is easy to address those points; my issue is with your willingness to accept them no questions asked.
 
Gravy said:
Third time, TC. Why are you afraid to answer this question?

You are going to meet with Wallace Miller. What will it take to make you believe that the remains and personal effects came from flight 93?

Don't be a little baby. Be a man and answer it.
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I believe Wally Miller recovered DNA. The Shanksville debris field was scattered nearly 4 miles. The story that 90% of the plane was pulled out of a 30x20x10' (UA93 Ambassador's Official Crater Dimensions Recorded on Film) crater is BS.

DNA was also recovered from Indian Lake and New Baltimore.

I believe the plane Ed Felt was on was shot down.

I haven't not yet seen anything that positively ID's this plane as UA93 to date. The crater appears to be too small for a 757.

Now please tell me what plane flew over Susan McElwain.
 
TC329 said:
There was some sort of highly classified United States Predator/Global Hawk type Unmanned Aerial Vehicle.
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Those two UAVs are not that classified, since you can easily find basic data on them with a bit of internet searching. It might be useful to compare the dimensions and capabilities of those two UAVs - the Predator is slow and small, the Global Hawk has a relatively small fuselage but a large wingspan designed for high-altitude flight.

Why on Earth the military would be testing some sort of new UAV out where regular folks could easily spot it? That doesn't make much sense - there are purpose-designed airbases where such testing can be conducted in secret.
 
TC329 said:
Edward Felt reported an explosion and white smoke coming from the plane and said they were going down.

Jim Stop saw a plane flying low over Indian Lake "breaking up" in the air.

Numerous Indian Lake residents made 911 calls about a 'low flying plane breaking up over their homes.'

There was some sort of highly classified United States Predator/Global Hawk type Unmanned Aerial Vehicle.

There was a debris field in Indian Lake.

There was a debris field in Shanksville.

There was a debris field in New Baltimore.

There were 2 fighter jets at the scene at the time along with the UAV and "UA93".

Westmoreland County 911 Operators have gag orders.

Johnstown ATC has gag orders.

There was nearly a mile between engine #1 & engine #2.

And now apply some critical thinking.
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Shoot down or Faked plane crash site? Which one?
 
TC329 said:
Edward Felt reported an explosion and white smoke coming from the plane and said they were going down.

Jim Stop saw a plane flying low over Indian Lake "breaking up" in the air.

Numerous Indian Lake residents made 911 calls about a 'low flying plane breaking up over their homes.'

There was some sort of highly classified United States Predator/Global Hawk type Unmanned Aerial Vehicle.

There was a debris field in Indian Lake.

There was a debris field in Shanksville.

There was a debris field in New Baltimore.

There were 2 fighter jets at the scene at the time along with the UAV and "UA93".

Westmoreland County 911 Operators have gag orders.

Johnstown ATC has gag orders.

There was nearly a mile between engine #1 & engine #2.

And now apply some critical thinking.
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Edward Felt may have experienced in those final seconds the break up of the plane, as it twisted and dove into the earth. Are you telling me that there is no way that the manuevering of the plane itself could not have caused loud noises, and smoke aboard the plane in the final seconds prior to the crash?

You have no proof of this alleged vehicle. No photos, no legal documents confirming it was there do you? You have descriptions that lead you to believe it was this type of vehicle, correct?

Change "debris field" to "debris" and I am happy with the three locations you mention.

Please present your evidence of the fighter jets and the UAV...I don't recall it...even a link to it would be nice.

A mile is 1600 yards or more. Please prove to me where authorities have stated that the distance between the two engines of UA93 was this distance.

Please show me written proof, or an OFFICIALS STATEMENT that says there was an official GAG order given to those institutions you mention.

Thanks

TAM:)
 
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