Susan McElwein Interview

[firecoins]

there were real people who died on these planes on 9/11. There remains were found at all the crash sites. Case Closed.

I find it ironic that years later, "the truth movement" brings foward an eyewitness here or there to contradict all the other eyewitnesses, survivors and rescuers who saw "the official version" and despite all the physical evidence.

There was no cruise missles, UAVs, space beams or 3 rigged skyscrapers for controlled demolition.

 

[beachnut]

I don't understand why the moderators tolerate this type of garbage.

I don't understand why your family has not had you commited.

 

[TC329]

please do not generalize. You do not know me. If a witness that falls on either side, testified for the first time 5-6 years after an event that he witnessed for a maximum of 5-6 seconds, I would question the validity of details in his story.

TAM

Well this is where you're mistaken. I chose Susan McElwain because she is one of the most heavily cited Shanksville witness's. There are some misspellings like McIlwain.

Pittsburgh Post Gazette, Pittsburgh Tribune Review, Sommerset Daily American, BBC, etc.

All about the little white plane that flew over the van that morning.....

 

[TC329]

please try to read Lyte...

I said if anyone had been interviewed/testified about such an event FOR THE FIRST TIME 5-6 years later, I would question the validity of the details of their testimony.

I was referring to "Lee".

TAM

Lee Purbaugh is also heavily quoted by the same soures as having seen a little white plane at the scene of the crash at the time of the crash.

There's no way he could have missed it.....

 

[TC329]

there were real people who died on these planes on 9/11. There remains were found at all the crash sites. Case Closed.

I find it ironic that years later, "the truth movement" brings foward an eyewitness here or there to contradict all the other eyewitnesses, survivors and rescuers who saw "the official version" and despite all the physical evidence.

There was no cruise missles, UAVs, space beams or 3 rigged skyscrapers for controlled demolition.

She's not contradicting any of the eyewitness's. I even suspect the reason Val McClathcy lost her camera and PC to the FBI was that she took pictures of it. And then there was this story invented about her dropping her camera and the batteries coming out and the plume being gone by the time she could put them back in.

I've spoken with people who drove to the smoke plume from 5 miles away. It didn't disappear in the time it took to put batteries into a camera.......

 

[firecoins]

yes she is contradicting other witnesses, many of whom claimed to a jetliner with American Airlines on it. Pretty contradicting to other eyewitnesses plus physical evidence.

you suspect the FBI took a camera? Whatever.

 

[Corsair 115]

[qimg]http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/global/images/4_global_hawk.jpg[/qimg]
[qimg]http://www.realnews247.com/predator_drone.jpg[/qimg]

DEFINITELY NOT ONE OF THESE!!!!! :
[qimg]http://www.aircraft-charter-world.com/images/jets/f20e.jpg[/qimg]

The specifications for the Global Hawk UAV:

Length: 44.4'
Wingspan: 116.2'
Height: 15.2'
Weight: 25,600 lbs empty
Power plant: 7,150 lb. thrust jet engine
Speed: 395 knots
Ceiling: 65,000 feet

The specifications for the Predator UAV:

Length: 26.7'
Wingspan: 48.4'
Height: 6'
Weight: 1,130 lbs empty; 2,100 lbs. max. takeoff
Power plant: 101 horsepower prop engine in a pusher configuration
Speed: 70-90 knots cruising; 120 knots maximum.
Ceiling: up to 26,000 feet operational; 40,000+ feet maximum

The specifications for the Dassault Falcon 20 business jet:

Length: 53.3'
Wingspan: 53.6'
Height: 17.5'
Weight: 16,600 lbs empty; 28,660 lbs max. takeoff
Power plant: two 4,500 lb. thrust turbofan jet engines
Speed: 466 knots max. cruising
Ceiling: 45,000 feet


As the specifications reveal, there is quite a bit of difference between all three of these aircraft.

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

"Drop" them?

I trust you mean "throw" them, O Worshipper of the Bird of Insufficient Lift.

I thought Moloch was an owl; not an ostrich, emu, or kiwi.

 

[T.A.M.]

maybe a penguin, chicken, or turkey...lol

TAM

 

[TC329]

yes she is contradicting other witnesses, many of whom claimed to a jetliner with American Airlines on it. Pretty contradicting to other eyewitnesses plus physical evidence.

you suspect the FBI took a camera? Whatever.

So you know of witnesses who claimed they saw an American Airlines jet in Shanksville? Please prting a comprehensive list of them.

NO ONE IN SHANKSVILLE SAW AN AMERICAN AIRLINES JET. 100% FACT!

People did see a airliner flying south towards Indian Lake. Those down on the Indian Lake side saw a small unmarked white UAV flying north.

Is this thread moderated or can it be? I shouldnt have to waste time debating the facts with people who have no idea what they are talking about.

1) The person above me doesnt even know which airliner crashed in Shanksville.
2) This person also has no idea about Val McClatchey's story.

Perhaps I should restrict all responses to gravy only. If you actually know something he can add it into his questions but this type of stuff is a waste of my time.......

 

[Gravy]

NO ONE IN SHANKSVILLE SAW AN AMERICAN AIRLINES JET. 100% FACT!

What made you change your mind?

I personally believe AA11 was the plane shot down in PA.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77941

And what have these people told you in the nine months since I gave you their contact information?

Shanksville Volunteer Fire Co
Shanksville, PA 15560
(814) 267-4737
Terry Schaffer, Fire Chief
Rick King, Assistant Chief

Somerset County Coroner's Office
555 Tayman Avenue, Somerset, PA 15501
(814) 445-6900
Wallace Miller, Coroner

Somerset County Emergency Services
100 East Union Street, Somerset, PA 15501
(814) 445-1515

WESTMORELAND COUNTY
DEPARTMENT OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT
12 Court House Square
Greensburg, PA 15601
724-600-7300

Pennsylvania Emergency Management Agency
Harrisburg, PA 17101
(717) 651-2001

Paul Sledzik (Led flight 93 DMORT investigation)
Curator, Armed Forces Institute of Pathology National Museum of Health and Medicine
202-782-2204 sledzik@email.afip.osd.mil

Disaster Mortuary Team Main office: 1-800-USA-NDMS, ext. 205
DMORT Region 3 office (includes Pennsylvania) 410-676-4600

Dr. Dennis C. Dirkmaat
Chief scientific advisor to Somerset County Coroner Wallace Miller
Director, Applied Forensic Sciences Department
Mercyhurst College
501 E. 38th St.
Erie, PA 16546
dirkmaat@mercyhurst.edu
(814) 824-2105

Also:

Stoystown Volunteer Fire Company,
Central City Fire Department,
Berlin Fire Department,
Friedens Volunteer Fire Department,
Listie Volunteer Fire Company,
Somerset Volunteer Fire Department,
Somerset Ambulance Association,
Hooversville Volunteer Fire Department, and the
Hooversville Rescue Squad.

 

[Gravy]

That reminds me of this spectacular bit of deliberate ignorance and incredible insensitivity:

There were no body parts nor blood at the "crash" site. Period.

You don't hear from the families of the plane victims because there was really only a small amount of people who died and they all died on the plane shot down in PA. The rest were CIA agents(think Northwoods). With their phony phone calls and fake histories. Someone should just take 5 random names from any flight other than 77 and run background checks on them and see what they find. I suspect that'll really open up a whole new can of worms. http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77941

It must be very difficult to be inside your head and have these wildly contradictory and wildly irrational thoughts.

 

[Hyperviolet]

What made you change your mind?




And what have these people told you in the nine months since I gave you their contact information?

Shanksville Volunteer Fire Co
Shanksville, PA 15560
(814) 267-4737
Terry Schaffer, Fire Chief
Rick King, Assistant Chief

Somerset County Coroner's Office
555 Tayman Avenue, Somerset, PA 15501
(814) 445-6900
Wallace Miller, Coroner

Somerset County Emergency Services
100 East Union Street, Somerset, PA 15501
(814) 445-1515

WESTMORELAND COUNTY
DEPARTMENT OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT
12 Court House Square
Greensburg, PA 15601
724-600-7300

Pennsylvania Emergency Management Agency
Harrisburg, PA 17101
(717) 651-2001

Paul Sledzik (Led flight 93 DMORT investigation)
Curator, Armed Forces Institute of Pathology National Museum of Health and Medicine
202-782-2204 sledzik@email.afip.osd.mil

Disaster Mortuary Team Main office: 1-800-USA-NDMS, ext. 205
DMORT Region 3 office (includes Pennsylvania) 410-676-4600

Dr. Dennis C. Dirkmaat
Chief scientific advisor to Somerset County Coroner Wallace Miller
Director, Applied Forensic Sciences Department
Mercyhurst College
501 E. 38th St.
Erie, PA 16546
dirkmaat@mercyhurst.edu
(814) 824-2105

Also:

Stoystown Volunteer Fire Company,
Central City Fire Department,
Berlin Fire Department,
Friedens Volunteer Fire Department,
Listie Volunteer Fire Company,
Somerset Volunteer Fire Department,
Somerset Ambulance Association,
Hooversville Volunteer Fire Department, and the
Hooversville Rescue Squad.

Flight 11?

Err..

 

[Gravy]

Of course, this one is also awesome, and pithy.

"Here's a fact : wingspan of Flight 93 = 40' "

 

[Gravy]

And who can forget this blast from the past?

September, 2006 – TC329 starts a thread at LC insisting that flight 93 was shot down:

Flight "93" Was Shot Down, I challenge all "no planers.
Please start a thread and prove that Flight 93 landed in Cleveland. Do you have more than the 2 statements made that morning?

January, 2007: Did I say shot down in Shanksville? That was the liquor talking:

The fact that no 757 crashed in Shanksville and that UA93 landed at Cleveland Airport. ...I cant say with a 100% certainty it landed in Cleveland but more than likely it did.

 

[Gravy]

I get warm all over thinking of this one:

"There was not a single fire on the scene when anyone arrived."


...Aaaaand a witness he quotes:

"There was a crater in the ground that was really burning."

 

[Hyperviolet]

And who can forget this blast from the past?

September, 2006 – TC329 starts a thread at LC insisting that flight 93 was shot down:




January, 2007: Did I say shot down in Shanksville? That was the liquor talking:

Hahaha 40 foot wings? Thats a weird shaped plane. One must wonder how the government convinced Captain Dahl to board such an aircraft.

It worthwhile to add that this quote :
"The fact that no 757 crashed in Shanksville and that UA93 landed at Cleveland Airport. ...I cant say with a 100% certainty it landed in Cleveland but more than likely it did."
..is quite telling

When using such facts, its easy to see why you could come to these conclusions.

 

[Gravy]

Flight 11?

Err..

Yah. And in case you think it was just TC having a brain freeze and typing the wrong info, here's the whole quote:

Flight 93 doesn't have to be the plane shot down in PA. I personally believe AA11 was the plane shot down in PA. It was tracked by the FAA for an hour after it hit the North Tower. FAA transmissions confirm that the military confirmed to the FAA that AA11 was still airborne at least 45 minutes after it hit the North tower and was traveling south I believe over New Jersey.

http://z15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=12564&st=0&#entry7136990

 

[Hyperviolet]

Yah. And in case you think it was just TC having a brain freeze and typing the wrong info, here's the whole quote:

 

[Calcas]

That reminds me of this spectacular bit of deliberate ignorance and incredible insensitivity:





It must be very difficult to be inside your head and have these wildly contradictory and wildly irrational thoughts.

Is TC329 "terrorcell" from lcf?

Because that would explain a lot...