Survival

[Kumar]

What benefits?

As commonly indicated.

Unless anything is A & F, we should atleast be serious about its advesities.

 

[Taffer]

As commonly indicated.

Name them.

Unless anything is A & F, we should atleast be serious about its advesities.

NOTHING WILL EVERY BE ABSOLUTE AND FINAL.

Adverse effects are irrelevant to efficacy. You know this already.

 

[Kumar]

name them.



nothing will every be absolute and final.

adverse effects are irrelevant to efficacy. You know this already.

than everything unless a & f can be treated as doubtful.

placebo has been defined as "a substance or procedure ... That is objectively without specific activity for the condition being treated".[7] under this definition, a wide variety of things can be placebos and exhibit a placebo effect. Pharmacological substances administered through any means can act as placebos, including pills, creams, inhalants, and injections. Medical devices such as ultrasound can act as placebos.[9][10] sham surgery,[11][12][13] sham electrodes implanted in the brain,[1] and sham acupuncture, either with sham needles or on fake acupuncture points, have all exhibited placebo effects.[14] bedding not treated to reduce allergies has been used as a placebo to control for treated bedding.[15] the physician has even been called a placebo;[16]pp. 33–34 a study found that patient recovery can be increased by words that suggest the patient “would be better in a few days”, and if the patient is given treatment, that “the treatment would certainly make him better” rather than negative words such as “"i am not sure that the treatment i am going to give you will have an effect".[17] the placebo effect may be a component of pharmacological therapies: Pain killing and anxiety reducing drugs that are infused secretly without an individual’s knowledge are less effective than when a patient knows they are receiving them. Likewise, the effects of stimulation from implanted electrodes in the brains of those with advanced parkinson’s disease are greater when they are aware they are receiving this stimulation.[ from wiki

 

[Taffer]

than everything unless a & f can be treated as doubtful.

Exactly. That is why we accept things with evidence.

And I don't want a copy-paste from another website. I want you to tell me in your own words what benefits of placebo you are talking about.

 

[Giggywig]

If they believe, their basis can be believing on half cooked things which are not yet absolute & final and which have potential to give side/adverse effects.

Let me express my absolute joy at you adding another kumarism to your repertoire. "Half-cooked things" is a wonderfully dismissive term, and you should use it at any opportunity. Makes you look smarter.

In real sense, I should be considered biggest skeptic because I have chronic doubting & questioning habit till a thing become A&F esp. on those which can give adversities. Not so??

And now I will have to show absolute shock and horror at the knowledge that you do not know what a skeptic is. I will add that to the list of things you do not understand, which currently includes... well pretty much everything.

 

[The Man]

I studied & discussed a lot about diabetes & I feel problem in type2 diabetics is excessive & continual insulin's exposure to target cells.

Oh, I have no doubts you “discussed a lot about diabetes”, however the “I studied” part is certainly not evident or you just didn’t learn anything when you “studied”. As what you say you feel is the “problem in type2 diabetics” makes absolutely no sense what so ever.

Can we think about psoriasis, either increased transcapillary movements of water , nutrients & immune cells causing overgrowth & increased immune cell's movement? Other side, decreased transcapillary movements causing defficient nutrients to skin cells & early death?

You can think about anything you want anyway you want, but no psoriasis does not involve any of that simple nonsense you just typed.

 

[Kumar]

Exactly. That is why we accept things with evidence.

And I don't want a copy-paste from another website. I want you to tell me in your own words what benefits of placebo you are talking about.

To improve self healing.

 

[Giggywig]

To improve self healing.

No.

 

[Kumar]

Oh, I have no doubts you “discussed a lot about diabetes”, however the “I studied” part is certainly not evident or you just didn’t learn anything when you “studied”. As what you say you feel is the “problem in type2 diabetics” makes absolutely no sense what so ever.

Previously one competent poster mentioned that there are so many unclarities in diabetology. Moreover commercialization esp. in disorders which are slow progressing may cause some odds or odds understandings. God is said to be clear,non-selfish & justified, HE gives exactly what you deserve..

You can think about anything you want anyway you want, but no psoriasis does not involve any of that simple nonsense you just typed.

Few of my friends having it. What physiological aspects you can think which can be responsible to it? Avoid telling routines, which I can easily find & read because it is yet to be understood fully.

 

[Kumar]

No.

Then whatever you feel/find. If you understand, don't ask.

 

[Giggywig]

If you understand, don't ask.

If you followed that rule yourself, your threads would not exist.

 

[Kumar]

Lukraak_Sisser, The Man
or other competent,

I got following links with somewhat different understandings. Will you check these?

Potassium, sodium, and cancer: a review.
Jansson B.

Department of Biomathematics, University of Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer
Center, Houston 77030, USA.

Abstract
Agents known or believed to be carcinogenic decrease the concentration
of potassium and increase the concentration of sodium in the cells.
Anticarcinogenic agents have the opposite effect. In all cases where
we have information on an agent's carcinogenicity or
anticarcinogenicity and on that agent's effects on cellular potassium
and sodium concentrations the above relationships have been found to
be true. Dietary carcinogenic agents studied include sodium, cadmium,
fat, cholesterol, calories, and alcohol; dietary anticarcinogenic
agents include potassium, vitamins A, C, and D, selenium, and fiber.
The effect of calcium intake is less clear as that effect depends on
the concentrations on sodium and potassium. Not only dietary agents
but also other carcinogenic and anticarcinogenic agents work in the
same way. The cancer-causing drug dimethylhydrazine increases sodium
and decreases potassium in the cells, whereas, for example,
indomethacin, an anticarcinogen, has the opposite effect. In aging
potassium leaves the cells, sodium enters them, and the rates of
cancer increase. Patients with hyperkalemic diseases (Parkinson,
Addison) have reduced cancer rates, and patients with hypokalemic
diseases (alcoholism, obesity, stress) have increased cancer rates.

PMID: 9216787 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9216787

Oxygen, Sodium, and Cancer

Just how out of balance can a cell become? In any healthy cell, there
is more potassium inside and more sodium outside. In a sick cell,
there is more sodium inside and more potassium outside. When a cell is
healthy, it contains seventeen times as much potassium as sodium. When
it becomes cancerous, it accumulates four times as much sodium as
potassium. When sodium content increases, water pours into the cell.


Article Source: http://EzineArticles.com/?expert=Robert_Rister
http://ezinearticles.com/?Oxygen,-Sodium,-and-Cancer&id=2867740

 

[Taffer]

To improve self healing.

The placebo effect does not heal you. The placebo effect makes you feel better. These two things are not the same.

 

[Kumar]

The placebo effect does not heal you. The placebo effect makes you feel better. These two things are not the same.

ok.

 

[The Man]

Previously one competent poster mentioned that there are so many unclarities in diabetology.

So what? There are a lot of things that are clear about diabetes, like high blood glucose, reduced insulin production and/or insulin resistance to name just a few. No need to go running off in any and all directions. One can start with what is clear.

Moreover commercialization esp. in disorders which are slow progressing may cause some odds or odds understandings.

Generally those “odds understandings” just result from, well, an odd understanding. Those odd understandings however can often result in an attempt to commercialize and capitalize upon those odd understandings. The best way to avoid odd understandings or their commercialization is again to study and understand the basics as well as focus on what is clear, as opposed to just speculating.

God is said to be clear,non-selfish & justified, HE gives exactly what you deserve..

I couldn’t give a flying hand shake what “God” is said to be or what you think “HE gives”. However as this seems to be your assertion, then you have exactly what you think you deserve, how nice for you.

Few of my friends having it. What physiological aspects you can think which can be responsible to it?

It isn’t a physiological condition it is a physical condition that can have very dramatic physiological effects.


{For some reason I was reading psychological. (must be psychological)}


Correction:

As I said before it is an autoimune condition. Over production of TNF would be a contributing ‘physiological aspect’.

Avoid telling routines, which I can easily find & read because it is yet to be understood fully.

So then find some, read some and (here is the critical part) understand them. Again it does not have to be “understood fully” for you to actually gain some understanding.

 

[The Man]

Lukraak_Sisser, The Man
or other competent,

I got following links with somewhat different understandings. Will you check these?

Lukraak_Sisser, The Man
or other competent,

I got following links with somewhat different understandings. Will you check these?

Check them for what? Typo’s, proper grammar, misspellings, a ‘different understanding’ than yours.?


You should look up the action potential in neurons.

 

[Kumar]

So what? There are a lot of things that are clear about diabetes, like high blood glucose, reduced insulin production and/or insulin resistance to name just a few. No need to go running off in any and all directions. One can start with what is clear.

Do you mean yet clear, may or may not be finally eg. DBI?

Generally those “odds understandings” just result from, well, an odd understanding. Those odd understandings however can often result in an attempt to commercialize and capitalize upon those odd understandings. The best way to avoid odd understandings or their commercialization is again to study and understand the basics as well as focus on what is clear, as opposed to just speculating.

Yes till any understanding is finally clear, that can be considered as somewhat speculating & then we may need to better understand it.




I couldn’t give a flying hand shake what “God” is said to be or what you think “HE gives”. However as this seems to be your assertion, then you have exactly what you think you deserve, how nice for you.

It isn’t a physiological condition it is a physical condition that can have very dramatic physiological effects.


{For some reason I was reading psychological. (must be psychological)}


Correction:

As I said before it is an autoimune condition. Over production of TNF would be a contributing ‘physiological aspect’.




So then find some, read some and (here is the critical part) understand them. Again it does not have to be “understood fully” for you to actually gain some understanding.

I meant physiological only. Btw, how TNF is related to it?

 

[Kumar]

Check them for what? Typo’s, proper grammar, misspellings, a ‘different understanding’ than yours.?


You should look up the action potential in neurons.

Thanks.

Do more sodium & water in cells make them bit delicate to get mutations, increased multiplications & suspicious to get brusted?

I think, hypooxia & partly metabolized glucose is related to increased lactic/carbolic acid or simply acidosis state?

 

[Taffer]

Do more sodium & water in cells make them bit delicate to get mutations, increased multiplications & suspicious to get brusted?

This is not english.

 

[The Man]

Do you mean yet clear, may or may not be finally eg. DBI?]

No I meant exactly what I said, “There are a lot of things that are clear about diabetes…”. Again that everything may not be entirely clear does not infer that nothing can be clear and some things are in fact quite clear as those are what define the particular condition.

Yes till any understanding is finally clear, that can be considered as somewhat speculating & then we may need to better understand it.

No, it is clear that it is speculating. One can have some basis for their speculations though (or not). Again the basics are a good place to start to get your understanding, or you understanding clearly.

I meant physiological only. Btw, how TNF is related to it?

Yes I know that is why I corrected what I said and mentioned what I misread for whatever reason.

I provided a link to the TNF inhibitor before and here is one for just the TNF (alpha), have at it.