Suddenly, A Flat Earther Appears!

[frenat]

2. I did go to the originals and 'Plopped them' in here: http://regex.info/exif.cgi

Doubt it. Where'd you get the originals? And why does what you posted look exactly like you just copy-pasted it from somewhere else?

3. Believe that a Projectile "A Bullet" can travel @ Mach 7 (!!!) ascend and descend a 'Bulge Height' of 2604 feet

there is no ascent. But thanks for proving you don't understand and can only just copy paste someone else's ignorance.

These 'allegedly' live in the Thermoplane which reaches Temps of 2000^o Celsius. Can you please post the materials these 'satellites' are made of THEN.... post their respective "Melting Points"?

So you prove you don't understand the difference between temperature and heat, even when a previous poster already explained it. how sad for you.

 

[bruto]

Thst big Ice Wall aound the edge keeps the water in apparently

I hope Daniel is also a skeptic about global (or should I say diskoidal) warming. Otherwise, when those ice walls melt, all the water will fall off and the dead fish and whales will raise an almighty stink!

 

[Daniel]

A claim you haven't proven.

It's easy, go to nasa.gov...scroll through the photos. Hit "Download" on the ones you like and it will give you the file format. Voila

A metadata viewer will only show you the data from the last program used to process it.

Well if we have originals, then wouldn't that render your appeal MOOT?

Since all Apollo photos were on film then had to be scanned before being uploaded online, they've all been processed in some way. So what?

Yes, like this...

...is it jpeg compression?


oy vey

 

[threadworm]

1. Modern Scans ???

2. I did go to the originals and 'Plopped them' in here: http://regex.info/exif.cgi

Your word blindness strikes again, it was pretty obvious I meant actual physical copies from the Gemini and Apollo missions. In books, in newspapers, journals, magazines, conference proceedings, NASA releases, wire photos. Not scans you downloaded from the web.

oh brother. How pray tell do you know that....Special evo Mind Powers?

Because you posted an image with a claim in it that was blatantly false, and anyone who has checked the image out knows that.

Even if that were the case...

It is.

Do you understand the Biochemistry of digestion and absorption?

Actually yes. Quite a hefty chunk of my degree

Do you eat steak? If so, are you just 'Parroting' someone else's work and putting your life in their hands?

Haven't eaten meat for 32 years. There goes another wild assumption...

Ahh you believe and 'parrot' mindlessly, Without even a SHRED of Empirical Evidence...

Wrong. Lots of evidence supporting a sphere, none supporting FEBS.

1. We live on a "Spinning Ball" rotating @ 1,000 mph, revolving around the sun @ 66,600 mph (axis 66.6 degrees from the ecliptic), with the sun traveling @ 500,000 mph around the Milky Way---which is itself moving @ 670,000,000 mph!!!

Then in Direct Contradictionto a 'Pillar of Science' (2LOT)...

Prove it's a contradiction. Empirically.

2. That it's possible to have a Vacuum attached to a Non-Vacuum in the same System, Simultaneously!!!

That isn't the case, and you know it. What stops the atmosphere pouring off the edge?

3. Believe that a Projectile "A Bullet" can travel @ Mach 7 (!!!) ascend and descend a 'Bulge Height' of 2604 feet and hit a Target 125 Miles away hidden behind 8,476 feet (over 1.5 Miles!!) of curvature??

I envy you, cleaning out the toilets at sniper school.

Among numerous other ground squirrel level reasoning atrocities and you have the hubris to challenge someone else's Intellectual Integrity??

You have nothing for me to challenge. You have displayed neither intellect nor integrity.

Begging The Question Fallacy: "satellites".

Oh the irony. Consider the position from which you argue and see if your hypocrisy meter explodes.

These 'allegedly' live in the Thermoplane which reaches Temps of 2000^o Celsius. Can you please post the materials these 'satellites' are made of THEN.... post their respective "Melting Points"?

You still do not understand the nature of the thermosphere despite it being explained to you in primary school language, nor, it seems, do you know how far up it extends, nor how high some satellites orbit. I see satellites over my house all the time. I am watching TV transmitted from one. Try something different.

I notice you haven't checking the link in my sig. Is that a chicken I hear?

 

[Daniel]

Doubt it.

So your case is 'Probably Not', eh? Compelling!! You wouldn't happen to be Pre-Law, by chance?

Where'd you get the originals?

From nasa.gov, for like the 10th Time.

And why does what you posted look exactly like you just copy-pasted it from somewhere else?

What does "Copy and Paste" look like?

And...

Can you share the rationale of What on Earth does Copy and Paste have to do with the Veracity of the Message? Would it be better if I created it on one of my files then Copy and Pasted it here...wouldn't it then still be Copy and Pasted..??
Define Non-Sequitur (Fallacy)..?

What if a Professor wrote up a lesson plan, then wrote on the board: "Protein Secondary Structure is crucial for functionality and is conferred by Functional Sequence Complexity (Primary Structure), and Hydrogen Bonding".
Then later that evening, decided to email the class the exact same text...but didn't feel like writing it out again....so merely "Copy and Pasted" from the lesson plan to the email.
Is the message in the email now COMPROMISED..because it was Copy and Pasted??

Would the students dismiss it out of hand due to lack of credibility?
I understand though, you have no coherent SUPPORT for any position, so you're reduced to feebly conjuring appeals to inane improprieties, right?

This is Tantamount to saying: Your Case is Refuted because you: wrote it in German, submitted it on Legal Paper (wrong Stationary), used 'Word Pad" instead of "Microsoft Word", it's in Blue Ink rather than Black, used the wrong Font, Folded it, ad nauseam.

I mean, R-Ya-Kiddin me??

there is no ascent.

There isn't?? Hmm. Type in 125 miles and 100 ft Elevation and scroll down just a bit: www.metabunk.org/curve/

Please email Mick West (administrator), here: www.metabunk.org/forums/

And tell him his Formulas and Concepts are "Jacked-Up" ...can you please share the substance of the conversation here..?

even when a previous poster already explained it.

And you believed it?? LOL. He couldn't explain unraveling a paper bag. Are you "Conceptually" Copy and Pasting and blindingly following-- hitching your wagon to that trainwreck (that I'll Implode here in a moment) without the least bit of Scrutiny??


oy vey

 

[Elagabalus]

Ahh you believe and 'parrot' mindlessly, Without even a SHRED of Empirical Evidence...

Uh, time zones? Why do we have them?

While we're at why does everyone experience approx. the same amount of night and day at the autumnal and vernal equinoxes?

Why doesn't an eclipse trace the same path every time on your little flat world? Please define your world for us.

Why can the different eclipse paths be predicted far into the future on our beautiful spherical Earth!?

Why is Polaris always pointing north?

What's that? I can't hear you ...

 

[frenat]

It's easy, go to nasa.gov...scroll through the photos. Hit "Download" on the ones you like and it will give you the file format. Voila

And you still haven't proven you've done that.

Well if we have originals, then wouldn't that render your appeal MOOT?

Do you even know what the point is? EVERY apollo photo was on film so EVERY apollo photo would show processing if you're viewing them digitally. So what?

Yes, like this...


[qimg]http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t97/jstunja/Nasa%20Pic%20with%20Sex_zpsutmmtcmb.png[/qimg]

...is it jpeg compression?

What that one is a png and you haven't yet applied the processing that hoaxies usually apply and find jpeg compression so how am I supposed to know?

 

[frenat]

snip irrelevant trolling.

There isn't?? Hmm. Type in 125 miles and 100 ft Elevation and scroll down just a bit: www.metabunk.org/curve/

Please email Mick West (administrator), here: www.metabunk.org/forums/

And tell him his Formulas and Concepts are "Jacked-Up" ...can you please share the substance of the conversation here..?

And thank you for proving again you don't know how the curve works. There is no ascent.

And you believed it?? LOL. He couldn't explain unraveling a paper bag. Are you "Conceptually" Copy and Pasting and blindingly following-- hitching your wagon to that trainwreck (that I'll Implode here in a moment) without the least bit of Scrutiny??

And you prove again no conception of the difference between temperature and heat. how sad for you.

 

[Daniel]

When it's perspective, it's perspective. Try to keep up.

You mean SCREECH to a Halt (!!) then go in reverse @ light speed.

No, it's just a composite image.

Please post one of the WHOLE Earth that's NOT...?

That aside, the molecules in the thermosphere are moving very fast so their temperature is high, but they are so few and far between that the rate at which heat energy can be transferred to a satellite by conduction is negligible. It may well be at 2,000°C but there just isn't enough air up there to heat an object up.

Priceless, THANKS!! So... not enough "molecules" up there (Density) for conduction or convection to be applicable. Yep, very good. However (ROTFLOL)...

Is there enough DENSITY "Molecules" IN THE SATELLITE MATERIAL that the SUN is directly SHINING ON Professor ?? How is it then DISSIPATING that HEAT...? Please say light and MAKE MY DAY!!!

I suppose you knew that already. Meantime can you finally explain why the sun sets on the horizon instead of 20° up in the air, and when it does so it looks exactly the same size as it did at noon? (answer: No, not with a flat earth you can't.)

I've already shellacked this nonsense. AND I forgot it was you (I should have known from the trainwreck above) but there's so many of you. But I already wrote the above so, take this as my last response to you.


Bub Bye

ps. Please have one of you cohorts say "LIGHT" then watch another in a long list of six million dollar man style: "she's breaking up!!", she's breaking up!!"
catastrophe's

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Hmm. Type in 125 miles and 100 ft Elevation and scroll down just a bit: www.metabunk.org/curve/

Please email Mick West (administrator), here: www.metabunk.org/forums/

And tell him his Formulas and Concepts are "Jacked-Up" ...can you please share the substance of the conversation here..?

Just to establish whether you have any grasp of what you're arguing for here, is it your claim that a shell fired at Mach 7 ought to travel 125 miles dead straight and level without dropping at all?

 

[Andy_Ross]

Any image you copy off the Web is a digital image.
If it was originally a film image it had to be scanned to turn it in to a digital image and will show artifacts.
It can't be the original image wherever you got it from but you know this.

 

[Elagabalus]

You mean SCREECH to a Halt (!!) then go in reverse @ light speed

Please post one of the WHOLE Earth that's NOT...?
Priceless, THANKS!! So... not enough "molecules" up there (Density) for conduction or convection to be applicable. Yep, very good. However (ROTFLOL)...

Is there enough DENSITY "Molecules" IN THE SATELLITE MATERIAL that the SUN is directly SHINING ON Professor ?? How is it then DISSIPATING that HEAT...? Please say light and MAKE MY DAY!!!

I've already shellacked this nonsense. AND I forgot it was you (I should have known from the trainwreck above) but there's so many of you. But I already wrote the above so, take this as my last response to you.


Bub Bye

This is just sad. Epic Flail. With your arms akimbo ...

 

[Jack by the hedge]

I've already shellacked this nonsense. AND I forgot it was you (I should have known from the trainwreck above) but there's so many of you. But I already wrote the above so, take this as my last response to you.


Bub Bye

Aww. Scampering away again? Poor Daniel. You didn't have much to work with I guess, so you were never going to be able to explain how the sun could be 6,000 miles away, 2,500 miles up and yet appear to be setting on the horizon.

Bub Bye

 

[Erock]

Priceless, THANKS!! So... not enough "molecules" up there (Density) for conduction or convection to be applicable. Yep, very good. However (ROTFLOL)...

You were given your backside on this point and you move on without even acknowledging it. Troll.

Is there enough DENSITY "Molecules" IN THE SATELLITE MATERIAL that the SUN is directly SHINING ON Professor ?? How is it then DISSIPATING that HEAT...? Please say light and MAKE MY DAY!!!

It uses material that massively reflects infrared. I have come to the sad conclusion that you are a chain jerking troll or the dumbest schmuck seen in these parts for some time.

 

[Daniel]

Its time the moderators dealt with Daniel.

And yet another (this is your third/4th time??) appealing to the moderators "HELP"!! my word.

I thought this forum was supposed to be about healthy, honest debate based on critical thinking

Have you happened by "Creationist DNA Information" or Creationist Quantum Mechanics" threads by chance?

► He refuses to support his assertions.

Generalized Sweeping Baseless 'bare' Assertion Fallacy.

Really?? Hmmm (Just One for Brevity, but you can do the same for EACH of my claims)...

(ASSERTION) If there is no physical barrier between Earth's Atmosphere and Space, which there isn't...

"There's no clear boundary between Earth's atmosphere and space, says Dr Kevin Pimbblet, lecturer in astrophysics at the University of Queensland."
www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2010/01/13/2791372.htm

"There is no definite boundary between the atmosphere and outer space."
www.cs.mcgill.ca/~rwest/link-suggestion/wpcd_2008-09_augmented/wp/e/Earth%2527s_atmosphere.htm

"Some experts believe a definition of the boundary of space is impossible to create. Hans Haubold, senior program office at the UN Office for Outer Space Affairs (OOSA), noted that the atmosphere is too “fuzzy for a physics-based definition to ever be established” (Kois 2004)."
http://commons.erau.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1052&context=stm


Ergo...

(ASSERTION) How can you have a Vacuum (Space) attached to a Non-Vacuum (Earth) and still retain the Properties of a Vacuum and a Non-Vacuum in the same system, simultaneously....?

Can you explain this in a Law of Entropy context?

So @ a minimum sir, How are you still breathing...?

(SUPPORT) ...

Law of Entropy: Unless it is hindered "purposely", in "Nature"....
Heat Flows from Hot to Cold (Always!), Energy Concentrated to Dispersed (Always!), High Pressure to Low Pressure (Always!).

"Gas expansion into a vacuum, mixing of ideal gases or liquids, diffusion, effusion, colligative effects, and osmosis each fundamentally involves an increase in entropy due to increased dispersion of energy (with no change in total energy in the case of ideal substances) due to a greater number of microstates for the particular system involved."
entropysite.oxy.edu/entropy_is_simple/


"In classical thermodynamics, it is viewing entropy increase as a measure of the dispersal of energy from localized to spread out at a given temperature. In "molecular thermodynamics" it is considering the change in a system (or surroundings or their total) for which there are fewer accessible microstates to one for which there is an increased number of accessible microstates."
entropysite.oxy.edu/entropy_is_simple/

“There is thus no justification for the view, often glibly repeated, that the Second Law of Thermodynamics is only statistically true, in the sense that microscopic violations repeatedly occur, but never violations of any serious magnitude. On the contrary, no evidence has ever been presented that the Second Law breaks down under any circumstances.”
A.B. Pippard, Elements of Chemical Thermodynamics for Advanced Students of Physics (1966), p. 100.


“If your theory is found to be against the second law of thermodynamics, I can give you no hope; there is nothing for [your theory] but to collapse in the deepest humiliation.”
Arthur S. Eddington, The Nature of the Physical World (1930), p. 74.

Sea Level = 760 Torr

> 105,000 Feet (32 km) turbojets no longer function ≈ 8 Torr
> 264,000 Feet (80.5 km) = U.S. definition of space flight ≈ 10^-3 Torr.
http://www.orbitec.com/documents/Orbitec_Vacuum_Reference.pdf

Low Earth Orbit (300km/186 miles)) Pressure = 10^-9 Torr:
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Vacuum

Moon Pressure = 10^-12 Torr:
http://www.airspacemag.com/daily-planet/ladee-measuring-almost-nothing-and-looking-for-the-almost-invisible-692321/?no-ist

Interstellar/Deep Space ≈ 10^-17 Torr.
http://www.orbitec.com/documents/Orbitec_Vacuum_Reference.pdf

If there's a "Non Perfect" Vacuum surrounding the Earth's Atmospheric layers as we are 'TOLD', then there should be a colossal cascading chain of envelopment from the Exosphere to Thermosphere to Mesosphere down to your feet like dominoes faster than you can say "ENTROPY" until equilibrium is reached. Hard Stop!


Your contrived charge is "Merit-less" (as your other UNSUPPORTED Ipse Dixit Fallacy charges) I must have posted this better than 15 times!!!

► He refuses to debate honestly.
► He repeatedly dodges or ignores questions.
► He repeatedly posts questions that he has already asked and which have been answered
► He posts flat out lies.

Ironically: ► He refuses to support his assertions.

I'm about ready to leave.

Bye

 

[Nakani]

Really?? Hmmm (Just One for Brevity, but you can do the same for EACH of my claims)...

(ASSERTION) If there is no physical barrier between Earth's Atmosphere and Space, which there isn't...

"There's no clear boundary between Earth's atmosphere and space, says Dr Kevin Pimbblet, lecturer in astrophysics at the University of Queensland."
www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2010/01/13/2791372.htm

"There is no definite boundary between the atmosphere and outer space."
www.cs.mcgill.ca/~rwest/link-suggestion/wpcd_2008-09_augmented/wp/e/Earth%2527s_atmosphere.htm

"Some experts believe a definition of the boundary of space is impossible to create. Hans Haubold, senior program office at the UN Office for Outer Space Affairs (OOSA), noted that the atmosphere is too “fuzzy for a physics-based definition to ever be established” (Kois 2004)."
http://commons.erau.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1052&context=stm


Ergo...

(ASSERTION) How can you have a Vacuum (Space) attached to a Non-Vacuum (Earth) and still retain the Properties of a Vacuum and a Non-Vacuum in the same system,

How does it work with the flat earth? What is out there? What stops the air from spilling over the side?

 

[Daniel]

...chain jerking troll or the dumbest schmuck

Appeal to Ridicule (Fallacy)
Ad Hominem (Fallacy)
3rd grade Name Calling.

I'm pretty sure this has some "Forum Rules" implications, eh 'smartcooky' ?


Then this, Priceless ...

It uses material that massively reflects infrared.

Errr, Isn't Infrared, ahh.... HEAT ??

Didn't you read the posts above discussing the Absence of Conduction and Convection due to the lack of "molecules" --- Density ?? (You had to because you "QUOTED IT" in your post) So ^100000----> ...

Where, per adventure, are these Fairytale Reflectors REFLECTING IT TO (!!!) ....?


oy vey^{1000000-------->}

 

[Elagabalus]

If there's a "Non Perfect" Vacuum surrounding the Earth's Atmospheric layers as we are 'TOLD', then there should be a colossal cascading chain of envelopment from the Exosphere to Thermosphere to Mesosphere down to your feet like dominoes faster than you can say "ENTROPY" until equilibrium is reached. Hard Stop!

Cool story, bro!

Why is there air pressure at sea level?

Oh, and time zones?

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Errr, Isn't Infrared, ahh.... HEAT ??

Didn't you read the posts above discussing the Absence of Conduction and Convection due to the lack of "molecules" --- Density ?? (You had to because you "QUOTED IT" in your post) So ^100000----> ...

Where, per adventure, are these Fairytale Reflectors REFLECTING IT TO (!!!) ....?


oy vey^{1000000-------->}

Other than bluster this post appears to be content-free. I'm not sure whether you believe you are making a point or whether you're just trying to bamboozle people into thinking you might be.

You mention conduction and convection (which is curious because I don't think anyone else has mentioned convection so far and I can't see why they would) but you pointedly don't mention radiation. Dare we imagine you think you are laying some kind of elephant trap and intend to spring your 'gotcha' on the first poor soul who mentions radiation?

I am agog to discover.
Well. Maybe a little.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

How does it work with the flat earth? What is out there? What stops the air from spilling over the side?

Just so. What stops the atmosphere escaping your flat earth?