Suddenly, A Flat Earther Appears!

For a better example, bullet fired with the barrel horizontal, and at a height of 1.5meters from the ground will hit the Earth (assuming a flat terrain) in 0.55 seconds.

If it leaves the barrel with a horizontal velocity of 400 m/s it will have traveled 220 meters horizontally in that time period.
At 1000 m/s it will have traveled 550 meters in that time period.
 
Erock said:
Excellent. So when it is 2,500 miles up at Zenith it is setting 6,000 miles away.

Can you explain to me what angle will be formed on a flat earth with those two parameters? Because it should be going over the horizon in one place not 22.6 degrees



Sure is. Explain why there is a sunset in the first place without the Sun getting smaller and disappearing. It's almost as though it disappears over the curve:boxedin:

Read this, particularly the last section:

http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/~aty/explain/atmos_refr/models/flat.html


Whilst you are here, explain and defend why the Moon phases invert in the Southern hemisphere.
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Daniel, is there any particular reason you failed to answer this. I shall persist until you do so. Post#456 is waiting also. Ditto.
 
jaydeehess said:
wow, we did not do that until grade 10 science class. (Ontario in the 1970s)
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Very basic ballistics was how my physics teacher taught principles of force acting on objects in motion. He also headed up the high school Skeet and Rod and Gun clubs. Not sure how you'd get approval or either of those clubs nowadays.
 
Border Reiver said:
Very basic ballistics was how my physics teacher taught principles of force acting on objects in motion. He also headed up the high school Skeet and Rod and Gun clubs. Not sure how you'd get approval or either of those clubs nowadays.
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I don't know about now, but my state (grammar) school in the late 1980's had an armoury and a 25m rifle range
 
Daniel, you have not answered why in the evolution thread you said Flat Earth was nonsense, and now you defend it.
 
AcesHigh said:
how long ago was that? Maybe he changed his mind, after knowing most Flat Earthers are creationists who think Flat Earth disproves evolution and all other science?
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If you are a biblical literalist, then it makes "sense" to believe in a Flat Earth. That is obviously implicit in the bible, but the following article highlights some of the more explicit examples.

https://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/febible.htm

Actually, the links on the "more about the author page" are worth a look too.
 
AcesHigh said:
Daniel, you have not answered why in the evolution thread you said Flat Earth was nonsense, and now you defend it.
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Did he? Excellent. Just for the sake of completeness, perhaps you could quote his actual words. It's great fun watching people shoot themselves in the foot.
 
Daniel said:
This is ludicrous. There is no such place in Shangri-La where " Vacuum " Pressure is = to the Atmospheric Pressure. :rolleyes: It's Orders of Magnitude away from equilibrium @ BEST (SEE: previous post where I listed the "Torrs" with respect to elevation.)





There is no mistake and no assumption...just the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics :thumbsup: which you are in Direct Contradiction of, and...

“If your theory is found to be against the second law of thermodynamics, I can give you no hope; there is nothing for [your theory] but to collapse in the deepest humiliation.”
Arthur S. Eddington, The Nature of the Physical World (1930), p. 74.

How's it feel ?

regards
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No, you are wrong. Air is held by gravity to the planet. The pressure we have at the surface of Earth is due to the weight of the column of air above. Therefore, what keeps the equilibrium is the pull of gravity.

Don't like it? Well, live with it.

Hans
 
Daniel said:
:boggled: So.... "If you fired a gun horizontally, how far would the shell drop in 80 seconds?"

So you're saying (LOL, btw) that if I fired a...

9mm: Muzzle Velocity ~ 400 meters/second AND a...

.223: Muzzle Velocity ~ 1000 meters/second...

They would drop EQUALLY over a given distance ?? :boggled:

And then...you call this "Classic", eh?


Take the next 3 days off...then quit :thumbsup:


oy vey
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No, they would drop equally over a given time. Misquoting other posters is far too obvious, do try harder.

Hans
 
Daniel said:
Really??... 'Jack by the hedge':

"If you fired a gun horizontally, how far would the shell drop in 80 seconds?"

You were saying...? :rolleyes:

oy vey
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Yes. How far would it drop. It would drop exactly the same as if you release a stone in your hand.

Look Daniel, perhaps you should change your tactics. You are not doing very well, here.

Hans
 
Captain_Swoop said:
A trained sniper doesn't know about Bullet Drop?
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The Sparrow said:
Hilarious thread. I learned the bullet dropping lesson in like grade 5. :D
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Oh wait, it gets better.

A trained sniper would also need to have learned about correction for Coriolis and Eotvos Effects, and that it differs in sense and aspect depending on which direction you are firing in (and which half of the planet you are in).

Coriolis Effect is absolutely irreconcilable with a flat earth, so a "flat earth believing trained sniper" is something of an oxymoron.
 
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Daniel said:
That's quite obvious.





Sure and next we'll discuss 'step by step' how to make peanut-butter and jelly sandwiches.

You'll forgive me, but I have better things to do with my time.

Unless you can post some semblance of a coherent refutation of:

1. Entropy
2. Coriolis Effect
3. Naval Rail Gun

OR

Proffer any EMPIRICAL Evidence for your Fairytale "Spinning Ball" then this is goodbye.

Have a Nice Day


regards
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Yes, now would be a good time for you to quit. Actually, it is a bit late.

Hans
 
smartcooky said:
Oh wait, it gets better.

A trained sniper would also need to have learned about correction for Coriolis and Eotvos Effects, and that it differs in sense and aspect depending on which direction you are firing in (and which half of the planet you are in).

Coriolis Effect is absolutely irreconcilable with a flat earth, so a "flat earth believing trained sniper" is something of an oxymoron.
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Indeed, I posted refs for the standard work on external ballistics and a link to a pdf of the US Marine Corps Artillery Manual and a worked example of both coriolis and eotvos effect on a 7.62 round at a given weight, muzzle velocity and range. He brushed it all aside.
 
smartcooky said:
Oh wait, it gets better.

A trained sniper would also need to have learned about correction for Coriolis and Eotvos Effects, and that it differs in sense and aspect depending on which direction you are firing in (and which half of the planet you are in).
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Yes and Anna Nicole married for Love and Pol Pot was her Florist.


If you Invoke "Coriolis Effect" with Bullets THEN, LOL... to remain Logically Consistent, you MUST Invoke it here ...

Any object FIXED to the ROTATIONAL FRAME OF REFERENCE will immediately "Slip Out" of that frame of reference when it's no longer Physically Fixed/Restrained to that Rotational Body and is compelled to a direction contrary to that of the Center of Rotation, Hard Stop!!
(If you're unsure of this phenomenon, grab: a friend, merry-go-round, and a ball then have a passerby spin you around.... then play catch.)

So with the unproven "presupposition" of the Earth spinning from West to East @ roughly 1,000 mph, How on Earth can you have a Plane Take Off (NOT FIXED to the ROTATIONAL FRAME OF REFERENCE) from New York to Los Angeles (~5hrs 45 min) --- traveling in the opposing direction of rotation, have the same Flight Time as the return trip (LA to NY) -- traveling with the rotation??

The westbound flight from NY to LA, say @ 500 mph typical cruising speed, would have a higher relative speed --- i.e., you need to add the speed of the opposing ROTATIONAL FRAME OF REFERENCE of the Earth 1,000 mph to the Plane's Speed; i.e., 500 mph + 1000 mph = 1500 mph.

The eastbound flight from LA to NY will immediately "Slip Out" of the ROTATIONAL FRAME OF REFERENCE upon Take Off/climbing to cruising altitude --- and @ the same 500 mph ---which has to be subtracted from the ROTATIONAL FRAME OF REFERENCE since that's the same direction; i.e., 1000 mph (Earth's Rotational Speed) - 500 mph (Plane's Speed) = 500 mph, will not only "Conceptually" take 3 TIMES as long, but Practically, "In Reality"..... NEVER CATCH UP to it's Destination (NY) before it gets BUM RUSHED by said Destination @ 500 mph!!!

Furthermore, why couldn't East Coasters not just hop in a Air Balloon or a Helicopter and hover (Not FIXED to the ROTATIONAL FRAME OF REFERENCE) for 3 hours and catch a Dodger Game...?

Here that sound (??)...that's your World-View circling the drain @ light speed ;)


regards
 
Erock said:
Daniel, is there any particular reason you failed to answer this. I shall persist until you do so. Post#456 is waiting also. Ditto.
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Failed to answer what??

Can you please Explain.... let's say someone in California @ High Noon has the Sun pretty close to directly overhead but someone let's say on the East Coast 3100 miles away (3hr time difference) has an Elevation Angle to the Sun of 45 Degrees (ROTFLOL) ??

Can you put that into a2 + b2 = c2 scenario and solve...?

Can't wait to see this....? :thumbsup:

regards
 
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