Suddenly, A Flat Earther Appears!

[Foster Zygote]

they can´t even give you a map of Earth.

if you point the big problems with their map model (like me pointing out that Australians and Brazilians can see the Southern Cross at the SAME INSTANT while both look south), they claim "nobody claimed it´s a precise model" or "I didn´t give any map".

then you ask a precise model and they say "we don´t have one, the ones who have it, like NASA, hide it from everybody else"

That's pretty much what I was going to say. The thing is, you don't need exact distances to prove how laughably false the zetetic flat earth model is. If the sun circles directly over the equator on an equinox, then all you have to do is note that in the zetetic model, an observer on the equator on that day would see the sun at a compass heading of 45° at 6:00 am. In reality, of course, the sun is seen at a compass heading of 90° at that time. And the shadow of a ping pong ball atop a one meter wood dowel would trace a curved line starting in the south-west, passing directly under the ball, then finishing in the south-east. But in reality, such a shadow will trace a straight line starting due west, passing under the ball, and finishing due east. And that just scratches the surface of the problems with the zetetic model.

Modern flat-earth belief is just a gnostic cult for people who want to think that they are among a small intellectual elite who see the truth about the universe. They are, however, perfect examples of the Dunning-Kruger effect. They don't realize just how uninformed and dull-witted their argument show them to be. If they could perform the simple math to disprove their flat-earth beliefs, they wouldn't be flat-earth believers.

 

[AcesHigh]

Not sure, as I haven't been in this thread for a while, why it concerns only the south pole.
I have been to several places above the Arctic Circle, including Alert at the northern end of Ellesmere island. I can testify to 24 darkness and 24 hour daylight. I was also present at Alert on March 21. The 20th the sun never fully rose above the horizon, on the 21st it did and never went back down.

In Mould Bay on Prince Patrick Island a few years earlier, the sun began poking a bit over the horizon at local apparent noon, beginning about Feb. 10. By March 21 it was up 24 hr/day. Its a bit odd to go for a ride down the airstrip at 2 am in bright sunshine.

Oh, and where I am now, sunset is at 9:25 PM (sunrise around 5:30AM), while in December it will be closer to 3:45PM(sunrise closer to 8AM)

because they have some funky (nonsensical obviously) explanations for many North Pole things, including the midnight sun.

but in their Flat Earth model, EVERYTHING BREAKS APART in the southern hemisphere.

distances get much bigger than possible, south is all around, so anyone seeing the same constellation directly south of them in different parts of the Globe would obviously be impossible (my Southern Cross example), the midnight sun would be impossible in Antartica in ANY of their models, etc.

that's why they deny you can even go to Antartica. Also the fact Antartica is supposed to be a wall to nothing. So NASA, Military, etc, don´t let people go there to hide the truth and discredit the bible.

 

[Foster Zygote]

The hoax was created by the satanists to destroy the credibility of the Bible.

The Bible scores an own goal in that respect.

There are no doubts that Earth does not rotate.

What about the precession of pendulums and gyros?

1 + 1 = 2

We all know that you can't actually do any of the math. That's why you only present a simplistic analogy.

To illustrate this simple equation:
Sun, Moon and Earth in a straight line.
Sun emits light, Moon blocks light, creates shadow on Earth.
Take the diameter of the Moons shadow, and distance of Moon from Earth.
The sun can't be as big as the solar scale says it is.

You're so ignorant of the math you pretend to understand that you don't even realize what nonsense you're spouting. Do you understand anything about angular size? No, of course you don't.

 

[AcesHigh]

(2) To illustrate this simple equation:
Sun, Moon and Earth in a straight line.
Sun emits light, Moon blocks light, creates shadow on Earth.
Take the diameter of the Moons shadow, and distance of Moon from Earth.
The sun can't be as big as the solar scale says it is.

the Moon's shadow is precisely the size it should be.

there is UMBRA and PENUMBRA. Because the Sun is never completely blocked by the moon. The corona emits light and is big enough that the total angular size of the sun (including corona) is larger than that of the moon and thus causes penumbra areas.

 

[jimbob]

@ Foster Zygote, your post has reminded me that the rather splendid Devonshire Fome in my local town of Buxton has a Foucault's pendulum hanging from its top.

If one isn't paranoid it's good evidence of the rotation of the Earth.

 

[jimbob]

the Moon's shadow is precisely the size it should be.

there is UMBRA and PENUMBRA. Because the Sun is never completely blocked by the moon. The corona emits light and is big enough that the total angular size of the sun (including corona) is larger than that of the moon and thus causes penumbra areas.
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Nice argument... I think that this different approach might complement that.

 

[AcesHigh]

Kyoon, download The Space Engine and check Solar Eclipses for yourself.

This program simulates the whole universe. It does not pre-computer eclipses. It really casts the shadows of planets/moons on other planets/moons. With standard computer video-games algorithms for shadow casting, etc. If these were off, they wouldn´t be able to generate computer graphics, because any shadow casting in games or rendered programs would fail.

Solar Eclipse seen from Earth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96DC2IkabCI



some images I just did.

solar eclipse from Earth (zoom on the moon)

same solar eclipse hitting northern South America. Penumbra and umbra

how to know they are not faking it with imprecise calculations? Because they must use the same algorithm to calculate shadows from any celestial body falling on other celestial bodies, all across the universe (the program has all catalogued stars and galaxies as well as it "fills" the galaxy with billions of procedural stars and planets and the universe with billions of procedural galaxies as well as their stars and planets

for example... an eclipse of Io falling on Jupiter, Io on the foreground, Jupiter on background

the shadow has barely any umbra, because seen from Jupiter, Io is much larger than the Sun.

 

[Hans]

Very nice material Aces, well presented but they have they will use denial and avoidance to ignore it.

 

[jimbob]

Very nice material Aces, well presented but they have they will use denial and avoidance to ignore it.

Which is why I linked to scene in Father Ted

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

Remember when Conspiracy Theorists made defensible claims and defended them?
Pepperidge Farm remembers.

 

[AcesHigh]

Very nice material Aces, well presented but they have they will use denial and avoidance to ignore it.

I find it useless to try to convince creatures like Daniel or Kyoon.

HOWEVER, there are always people who might JUST BE FALLING to CTs arguments, and they do not have the arguments or logical process to fight those arguments. They still "feel" there is something wrong with the CTs arguments, but at the same time, are just starting to feel there is something wrong with the "estabilishment" arguments.

These people can still be saved from the nonsense. They might Google for specific arguments and maybe find threads like this, and hopefully, unlike creatures like Daniel or Kyoon, they might see CTs arguments are easily debunked and destroyed by simple logic, math, etc.

 

[Foster Zygote]

I'm lucky enough that I only need to drive about twenty minutes to be within the path of the umbra of the 2017 total eclipse as it crosses North America.

 

[Foster Zygote]

I find it useless to try to convince creatures like Daniel or Kyoon.

HOWEVER, there are always people who might JUST BE FALLING to CTs arguments, and they do not have the arguments or logical process to fight those arguments. They still "feel" there is something wrong with the CTs arguments, but at the same time, are just starting to feel there is something wrong with the "estabilishment" arguments.

These people can still be saved from the nonsense. They might Google for specific arguments and maybe find threads like this, and hopefully, unlike creatures like Daniel or Kyoon, they might see CTs arguments are easily debunked and destroyed by simple logic, math, etc.

I've encountered a handful of people on YouTube over the last few years who say that they used to believe in the Apollo hoax theories, but after finding out more facts about it, realized just how weak the arguments for a hoax were.

 

[AcesHigh]

I explained it wrongly

"here is UMBRA and PENUMBRA. Because the Sun is never completely blocked by the moon. The corona emits light and is big enough that the total angular size of the sun (including corona) is larger than that of the moon and thus causes penumbra areas."

Nope. Unlike CTs, we admit when we are wrong.

The penumbra happens, as I understand it, because of parallax. The sun is MUCH LARGER and MUCH FARTHER AWAY.

That means that when you move across the Earth surface, the moon moves relatively to you faster than the Sun because of parallax.

There is a small area of only 267km in diameter where no matter inside that area you are, the moon will block all sunlight. Outside that small circle, you start seeing parts of the Sun, because the moon "moved" relatively to the Sun because of parallax. In those areas, you see progressively more and more of the Sun (and therefore more and more Sunlight), causing thus, as you get farther and farther away from the Umbra, a penumbra that is less and less dark.

 

[Kid Eager]

Thank you for that sequence of posts - very informative!

It's a shame that it will make no difference to the witterings of the Ignorati, but I applaud your efforts.

 

[AcesHigh]

well, I suggest CTs and everybody else should download the Space Engine. It´s just too awesome. And free! And of course, a tool of Illuminatti control, according to Daniel and Kyoon.







http://spaceengine.org

 

[Hans]

Which is why I linked to scene in Father Ted

Yes our denier does have the credibility of Father Jack.

 

[bruto]

Easy to answer: If Earth does not orbit the Sun, then the Sun orbits the Earth. It does so in 24 hours. Thus the distance must be 35,786 kilometres (22,236 mi)

Hans

Is it getting hot in here, or is it just me?

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

well, I suggest CTs and everybody else should download the Space Engine. It´s just too awesome. And free! And of course, a tool of Illuminatti control, according to Daniel and Kyoon.







http://spaceengine.org

It's a Russian language website. What is it? Russian Orbiter?

 

[AcesHigh]

It's a Russian language website. What is it? Russian Orbiter?

sorry, english version
http://en.spaceengine.org/

it's a universe sandbox simulator. Go anywhere.

I would say it´s like CELESTIA but much better. The videos should be enough to show that.