Suddenly, A Flat Earther Appears!

Careful guys. You don't know the danger we are in dissing (and/or discussing)
our Flat Planet.

Police, firefighters called in after flat Earth debate turns heated
Man angered by suggestion Earth is flat threw propane tank into fire, police say

The dispute over a question most considered resolved centuries ago boiled over around 10:30 p.m. Monday at St. Lawrence Park in Brockville, Ont.

Police said a 56-year-old Brockville man was at a campsite with his son and his son's girlfriend when the woman began insisting that the Earth is flat.

The older man insisted the Earth is round.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/flat-earth-debate-leads-to-fire-police-call-1.3634692
 
and here, an answer from a Flat Earther on Youtube (directed towards me) that sums up all the reason for their ignorance:

"the reason for the flat earth cover up, is that It proves god. They want you to believe you came from nothing and aren't important. Without the globe lie you can't have evolution, dinosaurs, cavemen, space etc.....all of that **** depends on the globe lie.
Genesis 1:7
Job 37:18
Rev 6:13
Psalms 104:5 they prove flat earth. And wether you believe in god or not is irrelevant, he exists. You may also not believe in the devil, who also exists, but the elites do, and nasa is their creation. They perform rituals right in front of your eyes disguised as things like 'half time shows' or 'awards ceremonies'
It's simple, globe lie=satanic worship flat earth=god.
The people who you mention, amateur astronomers etc. They're what's known as useful idiots, and want to believe the lie so bad they fool themselves.
Lol they've got you hook line and sinker, huh little guy? Keep believing everything they tell you, space cadet, I'm sure you'll reach Mars someday lol "

I think I'd rather be a useful idiot than one who has no use at all.
 
Careful guys. You don't know the danger we are in dissing (and/or discussing)
our Flat Planet.

Police, firefighters called in after flat Earth debate turns heated
Man angered by suggestion Earth is flat threw propane tank into fire, police say



http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/flat-earth-debate-leads-to-fire-police-call-1.3634692

good thing he didn´t throw the girl at the fire. The religious zealots (flat earthers) would consider her a new christian martyr.
 
and here, an answer from a Flat Earther on Youtube (directed towards me) that sums up all the reason for their ignorance:

"the reason for the flat earth cover up, is that It proves god. They want you to believe you came from nothing and aren't important. Without the globe lie you can't have evolution, dinosaurs, cavemen, space etc.....all of that **** depends on the globe lie.
Genesis 1:7
Job 37:18
Rev 6:13
Psalms 104:5 they prove flat earth. And wether you believe in god or not is irrelevant, he exists. You may also not believe in the devil, who also exists, but the elites do, and nasa is their creation. They perform rituals right in front of your eyes disguised as things like 'half time shows' or 'awards ceremonies'
It's simple, globe lie=satanic worship flat earth=god.
The people who you mention, amateur astronomers etc. They're what's known as useful idiots, and want to believe the lie so bad they fool themselves.
Lol they've got you hook line and sinker, huh little guy? Keep believing everything they tell you, space cadet, I'm sure you'll reach Mars someday lol "
Ahh , extreme Bible literalists. As dangerous as ISIL fundamentalists.

Not sure how evolution, dinosaurs, or cavemen require a spheroid Earth.
 
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Ahh , extreme Bible literalists. As dangerous as ISIL fundamentalists.

No, definitely not.

Extreme Bible literalists are stupid and crazy. ISIL fundamentalists are crazy and violent. No comparison on danger.
 
No, definitely not.

Extreme Bible literalists are stupid and crazy. ISIL fundamentalists are crazy and violent. No comparison on danger.

Maybe the difference is their culture of origin rather than religion of origin
 
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I vaguely remember a weird model of the universe. The surface of the earth is on the inner surface of a huge hollow sphere, with the rest of the cosmos contained within.
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I'm pretty sure this description comes from the bible. When god made the earth he placed the earth and stars in a dome, or some other nonsense.

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Well hell, Aceshigh beat me to it......by about 8 days.
Nevermind
 
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I vaguely remember a weird model of the universe. The surface of the earth is on the inner surface of a huge hollow sphere, with the rest of the cosmos contained within. The space is very non-euclidian, the physics very non-newtonian. The pathways of light are bent like crazy. Yet it correctly explains many observations. You have to delve quite deep into it before discovering any discrepancies to what we see.

But to evaluate it you have to use its inherent laws.

you mean Hollow Earth Theory? Guess what? There are some Hollow Earther videos on Youtube trying to prove Flat Earthers are idiots. :rolleyes:

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you mean Hollow Earth Theory? Guess what? There are some Hollow Earther videos on Youtube trying to prove Flat Earthers are idiots. :rolleyes:

[qimg]http://aetherforce.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/geocosmos.png[/qimg]

To be fair, they are right in that.
 
I follow some Anunnaki and ancient alien pages on facebook for the entertainment value (they are fun theories if you look at them as sci-fi/fantasy). There was a post recently that was calling out flat earthers for taking over their comment sections in an attempt to make them look crazy. Haha, I tried finding the post but it was gone.

Honestly I think the flat earthers may be more sane than the Anunnaki people. I haven't decide yet. I tried pointing out things to them that are clearly false but it gets weird so I may stop doing that.
 
That's why it's really hard to argue against flat earthers...


Hmm, Really? :cool: Let's see how you do...

I'll keep it as brief as possible ( I currently have ~25 Proofs that are irrefutable). 3 Proofs that settle matters quite abruptly, so:

1. Pummeling of any Notion of a "Near-Perfect Vacuum" of Space. Whereby obliterating: big bangs, black holes, "gravity waves" (as if they needed anymore bludgeoning :rolleyes:), "nasa" ---IN TOTO, Moon Landings/Missions, Satellites, Hubble Telescope, ISS, Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation (CMB), Every Single Last Codswallop Fraudulent Space Mission, Every Observatory, Every astrophysics/astronomy/ cosmology department and Pseudo-Scientist Lying ---("Knowingly") Psychopath associated with them !
2. The Earth is Stationary.
3. The Earth is Flat.


#1. If there is no physical barrier between Earth's Atmosphere and Space, which there isn't...

"There's no clear boundary between Earth's atmosphere and space, says Dr Kevin Pimbblet, lecturer in astrophysics at the University of Queensland."
http://www.abc.net.au/science/ articles/2010/01/13/2791372. htm

"There is no definite boundary between the atmosphere and outer space."
http://www.cs.mcgill.ca/~ rwest/link-suggestion/wpcd_ 2008-09_augmented/wp/e/Earth% 2527s_atmosphere.htm

"Some experts believe a definition of the boundary of space is impossible to create. Hans Haubold, senior program office at the UN Office for Outer Space Affairs (OOSA), noted that the atmosphere is too “fuzzy for a physics-based definition to ever be established” (Kois 2004)."
http://commons.erau.edu/cgi/ viewcontent.cgi?article=1052& context=stm


Ergo...

How can you have a Vacuum/Near-Perfect (Outer Space) attached to a Non-Vacuum (Earth) and still retain the Properties of a Vacuum and a Non-Vacuum in the same system, simultaneously....?

Can you explain this in a Law of Entropy (2nd Law of Thermodynamics --"Pillar of Science") context?

If there's a "Non Perfect" Vacuum surrounding the Earth's Atmospheric layers as we are 'TOLD', then there should be a colossal cascading chain of envelopment from the Exosphere to Thermosphere to Mesosphere down to your feet like dominoes faster than you can say "ENTROPY" until equilibrium is reached. Hard Stop!

So @ a minimum, How are you still breathing...?


#2. Coriolis Effect: any object FIXED to the ROTATIONAL FRAME OF REFERENCE will immediately "Slip Out" of that frame of reference when it's no longer Physically Fixed/Restrained to that Rotational Body and is compelled to a direction contrary to that of the Center of Rotation, Hard Stop!!
(If you're unsure of this phenomenon, grab: a friend, merry-go-round, and a ball then have a passerby spin you around.... then play catch.)

So with the unproven "presupposition" of the Earth spinning from West to East @ roughly 1,000 mph, How on Earth can you have a Plane Take Off (NOT FIXED to the ROTATIONAL FRAME OF REFERENCE) from New York to Los Angeles (~5hrs 45 min) --- traveling in the opposing direction of rotation, have the same Flight Time as a the return trip (LA to NY) -- traveling with the rotation??

The westbound flight from NY to LA, say @ 500 mph typical cruising speed, would have a higher relative speed --- i.e., you need to add the speed of the opposing ROTATIONAL FRAME OF REFERENCE of the Earth 1,000 mph to the Plane's Speed; i.e., 500 mph + 1000 mph = 1500 mph.

The eastbound flight from LA to NY will immediately "Slip Out" of the ROTATIONAL FRAME OF REFERENCE upon Take Off/climbing to cruising altitude --- and @ the same 500 mph ---which has to be subtracted from the ROTATIONAL FRAME OF REFERENCE since that's the same direction; i.e., 1000 mph (Earth's Rotational Speed) - 500 mph (Plane's Speed) = 500 mph, will not only "Conceptually" take 3 TIMES as long, but Practically, "In Reality"..... NEVER CATCH UP to it's Destination (NY) before it gets BUM RUSHED by said Destination @ 500 mph!!!

Furthermore, why couldn't East Coasters not just hop in a Air Balloon or a Helicopter and hover (Not FIXED to the ROTATIONAL FRAME OF REFERENCE) for 3 hours and catch a Dodger Game...?


If I'm making a north-south shot @ 1,000 meters on a Calm Day with a Muzzle Velocity of 1,000 m/s ...with the Earth allegedly "Spinning" @ 1,000 mph ( 447 m/s ) from west to east beneath the bullet ( "Slipping Out" of that Reference Frame when Fired ), then my windage adjustment should be 447 meters to the east of center mass of the target.
That's scenario is a Tear Jerkin Belly Laugher, to be quite frank.

ps. I was in Combat Arms (Reconnaissance) for 8 years and cross-trained with an Elite Sniper Platoon...which was right down the hall, on numerous occasions. I've personally made shots @ 1100-1500 meters. The 'Coriolis Effect' was never brought up ONCE much less practiced!
I have a Naval Weapons Instructor, US Army Artillery Radar Operator, US Army Master Gunner, and a US Army Navigator and Ground Training Combat Expert not only Corroborating my Testimony but extending it by Tens of Miles!


#3. Navy Rail Gun: "Projectile" (Bullet) travels @ 5,600 mph (Mach 7!!)...

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"The 6-inch guns that the Navy currently uses have a range of 15 miles; the 16-inch guns of World War II had a range of 24 miles, and could penetrate 30 feet of concrete. The 38-foot railgun, though, has a range of 125 miles, five times the impact, and can shoot through seven steel plates."
http://rare.us/story/the-navy- just-unveiled-the-first-video- of-their-new-railgun-in- action-and-it-is-awesome/

This is a "Line of Sight" (LOS) Weapon. With a more than 'Generous' Deck/Rail Height of 100 Feet above Sea Level, a target @ 125 miles on our 'alleged' "Spinning Ball" with a radius of 3959 miles will be hidden behind 8476 Feet (1.6 MILES!) of Water/Earth Curvature!
The Horizon @ 100 ft elevation is @ 12.25 Miles.
The 'Bulge' height is 2604 feet.
Target Hidden Height is 8,476 feet.

Calculator: https://www. metabunk.org/curve/

Ergo, Please explain how a Non Self-Propelled 25 lbs "Projectile" ( A "BULLET") can negotiate a "Bulge Height" of 2604 feet (ascent then descent) traveling @ Mach 7 (lol) and hit a target that's hidden behind 8,476 feet of curvature without violating every Ballistics/Physical Law (and common sense) known to mankind ....?


Let's employ some actual "Science", (it should limit the responses by Exponential Magnitudes in this thread ;) )...

NULL HYPOTHESIS:

"To do a hypothesis test, you will actual have two hypotheses: the null hypothesis and the alternative hypothesis, which are stated in such a way that they are mutually exclusive (you can’t have both hypotheses be true). The null hypothesis is the conclusion that is considered the default – you will accept this hypothesis if you fail to find sufficient support for the alternative hypothesis."
http://www.csun.edu/~dgw61315/ECON309lect7Bhypotesting.doc


Null Hypothesis:

IF the Earth is Flat, THEN shots taken with Line of Sight 'LOS' weapons (Non Self-Propelled Projectiles-- "BULLETS") WILL NOT BE limited to the Earth's "alleged" Curvature ('Bulge' and target 'Hidden Amount') to effectively engage targets for said distance/elevation according to ( https://www.metabunk.org/curve/ ).

Alternative Hypothesis:

IF the Earth is "Sphere", with a circumference of 24,901 miles (radius 3959 miles), THEN shots taken with Line of Sight 'LOS' weapons (Non Self-Propelled Projectiles -- "BULLETS") WILL BE limited to the Earth's curvature ('Bulge' and target 'Hidden Amount') to effectively engage targets for said distance/elevation according to ( https://www.metabunk.org/curve/ ).

Falsify the Null....? If you can't, then ya hear that sound...that's your Blind 'Faith-Based" Parroted 'World View' circling the drain @ Light Speed!

Let's go ahead and VALIDATE The Null...

TEST: Already Validated (See above "125 miles"): The Naval 'Rail Gun' Line of Sight (LOS) Weapon (Non Self-Propelled "Projectile"-- "A BULLET" ) can effectively engage targets @ 125 miles, well WELL beyond limitations for Earth's "alleged" Curvature; Ergo...the Earth is Flat!! Simple :thumbsup:

You might as well: clean out the gutters, trim your nails, do the dishes, attempt to square the circle... ect ect @ this point; Scientifically, the postulate that the Earth is a "Spinning Ball" :boggled:... is Kaput!! Phlogiston is more tenable.


Go ahead...? :D


regards
 
2. The Earth is Stationary.
3. The Earth is Flat.
Daniel, are you aware that you are putting two things together in the style of The Web of Disinformation set up by the Illuminati?
The same web of disinformation that is in charge of connecting the word "illuminati" with what they are NOT.

It's "GEOCENTRIC EARTH" NOT "THE EARTH IS FLAT!", which the illuminati begun using to fool people by planting all sort of false tracks to mislead those looking for the TRUTH.

CIA Disinformation Trick #1:
- add "THE EARTH IS FLAT!" to anyone exposing the illuminati hoaxes, in particular the Heliocentric BIG LIE.

For most readers, the first link they will click to about "Flat Earth", or any illuminati hoax for that matter, will be enough to cause the "This is too crazy/horrible to be true" reaction.
Only total brainwash and the basic "BIG LIE technique" mechanisms ("the truth is too horrible to dig in") can prevent people from seeing the illuminati disinformation.

Daniel, understand what "Fat Earth" disinformation diverts:
Ever since illuminati turned heliocentrism into a religious sect, they have to stage "miracles" to continue to make believers accept that what you get is not what you see.

The "discovery" of "stellar parallax" was the first of these "miracles".
The bigger the lie the easier it is to expose it, or in other words, the more "miracles" the illuminati need to create to cover-up the lies.

No wonder that no other lie originated so many "miracles" as "Evolution Theory", the most important religion later created by the illuminati, and its dedicated religious sects (continental drift, hot spots theory, ice age theory, plate tectonics, asteroid impacts, etc).

"Miracles" range:
- from the "discoveries" of "missing link fossils" and "Mid-Atlantic Ridge, world's largest mountain range" ...
- to "measuring how the Himalayas are rising" to now using GPS to "measure how continents move".
 
Kyoon: Are you aware that the 'Flat Earth is disinfo to discredit conspiracy theorists' is a shiny new conspiracy theory proposed by people who will swallow any old nonsense going and who most people think are crazy without the addition of that FE gibberish. I have yet to see anyone ever put forward the 'oh I bet you also believe the Earth is flat' line. It's a fantasy defence by people whose already tenuous grip on reality has been threatened by people even more stupid than they are.

FE is nothing to do with believing the Earth is flat, is everything to do with semantic masturbation and intellectual snobbery by people who have no real intellect to speak of.
 
Hello Daniel, if you don't mind me asking are you the same Daniel who heads the flat earth society?

Do you think the operators of the rail gun can see their target at 125 miles? If so, why are they keeping the flat earth a secret? Are all military gunners in on the conspiracy? Just like every pilot, mountain climber, ship captain, NASA employee, and lets not forget the people who own and operate the fake Antarctica.


Can you find a place on earth where I could see that far, even from 100 feet above sea level? I would think that would be a easy task on a flat earth. You should be able to climb the empire state building and toss a quarter in the telescope and check out England.
 
I have yet to see anyone ever put forward the 'oh I bet you also believe the Earth is flat' line.

You're obviously ignoring every time it was mentioned in the other threads here, not the mention it's use on every other "conspiracy theory" site.
 
Hello Daniel, if you don't mind me asking are you the same Daniel who heads the flat earth society?


Nope. And the "Flat Earth Society" are Nincompoops.

Do you think the operators of the rail gun can see their target at 125 miles?


They MUST.

And Naval Radars (Fire Control) use RF Pencil Beams... they don't penetrate water, btw.


If so, why are they keeping the flat earth a secret?


99.999% of people aren't evaluating everything they see/experience to whether the earth is flat or not.

ahh, and if it strikes them...who are they gonna tell?? :rolleyes:



Are all military gunners in on the conspiracy? Just like every pilot, mountain climber, ship captain, NASA employee, and lets not forget the people who own and operate the fake Antarctica.


Nope. And your argument IN TOTO here is Procedural rather than one of "Substance".

Please refute my arguments. (There's 3 of them, for now)

ps. The "astro-NOTS" are most certainly LIARS. (Demonstrably)
ps. Straw Man (Fallacy): Antarctica isn't Fake :boggled:

Can you find a place on earth where I could see that far, even from 100 feet above sea level? I would think that would be a easy task on a flat earth.


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The island of Elba, from Genoa (with Elevation of Elba and of the Observer already taken into account) can be seen an incredible 125 miles away!



You should be able to climb the empire state building and toss a quarter in the telescope and check out England.


ahhh, no. No matter the strength of the Optics, your hampered by: Law of Perspective ---Vanishing Point, Humidity/Weather, Refraction ect ect.

And Bill Nye called...he wants his argument back :rolleyes:

regards
 
Nope. And the "Flat Earth Society" are Nincompoops.

What separates you from them?


99.999% of people aren't evaluating everything they see/experience to whether the earth is flat or not.

ahh, and if it strikes them...who are they gonna tell?? :rolleyes:

It wouldn't take much to notice the huge discrepancy between the two versions of the map when sailing in the south seas. Are you saying that only .001 percent of whaling captains would notice that the trip is thousands of miles farther than shown on the map?

ps. Straw Man (Fallacy): Antarctica isn't Fake :boggled:

how do you account for the fact that nobody has ever reported seeing the ice wall? Yet many people have been to Antarctica and even sailed around it.

[qimg]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-3BNe3todgcM/Vb-SG7txWlI/AAAAAAAAQBs/WKAGycSMy1E/s1600/genova.jpg[/qimg]

The island of Elba, from Genoa (with Elevation of Elba and of the Observer already taken into account) can be seen an incredible 125 miles away!

The tops of mountains from allegedly 125 miles away. Not quite what I was looking for.


ahhh, no. No matter the strength of the Optics, your hampered by: Law of Perspective ---Vanishing Point, Humidity/Weather, Refraction ect ect.

Vanishing Point? Hahaha hoo, Do you think that means when something gets a certain distance away it vanishes?

I will give you weather but will not allow you to pretend that there are so many reasons you need to say," etc, etc". What are the rest?
 

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