StopSylviaBrowne - Montel: Amanda Berry Reading

[Questioninggeller]

Linked from Robert's article:

"Are you ever wrong?" Safos asked. "Only God is right all the time but of course I'm wrong," Browne responded. "But after 50 years of doing this work, I'd better be more right than wrong. I always say I hope I'm wrong. When it comes to this, I hope I'm wrong."

http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=26501

Browne should either stop making the above claim or start supporting evidence for it...

 

[EeneyMinnieMoe]

Here's my question: why would a psychic ever be wrong? That's a information source higher than Google you're going on!

How does a psychic vision appear anyhow? Do the psychics ever say?! Does a thought suddenly appear in your mind? Can you see a spirit the rest of us can't who's telling this to you? Voices of the dead?

Sylvia, tell me, what kind of psychic are you? Are you the "Medium" psychic, "The Ghost Whisperer" psychic or The Sixth Sense psychic?

Allright, though, let's say a psychic's mind's eye might get cloudy. Where does the bad information come from? Where could "She's in white slavery in Japan" come from, unless you made it up?!

 

[Macoy]

Here's my question: why would a psychic ever be wrong? That's a information source higher than Google you're going on!

How does a psychic vision appear anyhow? Do the psychics ever say?! Does a thought suddenly appear in your mind? Can you see a spirit the rest of us can't who's telling this to you? Voices of the dead?

Sylvia, tell me, what kind of psychic are you? Are you the "Medium" psychic, "The Ghost Whisperer" psychic or The Sixth Sense psychic?

Allright, though, let's say a psychic's mind's eye might get cloudy. Where does the bad information come from? Where could "She's in white slavery in Japan" come from, unless you made it up?!

Who is her confidant?

Who would she settle back with, sip her drink and say: "What the [rule8] am I gonna tell'em this week?"

 

[Yubi]

Here's my question: why would a psychic ever be wrong? That's a information source higher than Google you're going on!

Allright, though, let's say a psychic's mind's eye might get cloudy. Where does the bad information come from? Where could "She's in white slavery in Japan" come from, unless you made it up?!

Well, I wouldn't really rule out the possibility for being wrong. It goes far beyond my imagination exactly why one would dream up things as "spirit guides", but if one must have such a one to speak to the dead, maybe it's the spirit guide who is wrong? Maybe he/she listens to too much rumour and simply makes stuff up? Or can't use a filing system, gets the darn social security numbers mixed up and contacts the wrong dead people? Or is simply deluded? Ah, the truth: Sylvia Brown is a psychic but her spirit guide is a psycho...

 

[ChristineR]

It's a well known fact that the mere presence of James Randi has a crippling effect on spirits. They lose all their powers, and frequently refuse to appear at all. They are simply overwhelmed by his dark aura. It all makes sense if you think about it, and you can hardly blame Francine for that.

 

[EeneyMinnieMoe]

Ok, so it's the spirit's guide fault- why would the spirit guide be so wrong as to tell you a missing child is a prostitute in Japan?!

 

[zombiebex]

Sad. I live about twenty blocks from where Amanda disappeared. I remember this story, it was horribly sad.

Miller: Yeah, she usually had somebody to take her to work or a friend would, you know, meet her outside or something because she just hated walking in that uniform. She hated it.

(Sylvia) Browne: Did she know of anybody by the name of...(censored by network).

Miller: I don't--I don't know. That don't sound familiar.

Browne: Now, what I don't understand is her jacket was in a dumpster. Because she's wearing a jacket.

Williams: Was she wearing a jacket?

Miller: She had on a black, hooded jacket, yes.

April in Cleveland. You want a jacket. There was still snow on the ground in April of this year.

Williams: Would that give a clue to who--I mean, obviously...

Browne: Oh, yeah.

Williams: ...the last witness who saw her said three people?

Browne: Because with the--the "CSI" and everything else we have on now, the forensics--and I'm not trying to knock the police department, because I know they're overloaded, and I work with a lot of them.

... no. No you don't. Cleveland has no CSI. Real life is nothing like CSI, and if you knew anything at all about real police work, Sylvia, you would know this. And they would have sent a jacket to forensics if they found one.

There are dumpsters all over this city.

Williams: But did she not say, `I have a ride home,' as if it was one person?

Miller: Right, she said, `I have a ride.'

Browne: There was only one person.

Miller: She was talking to my other daughter, and she said, `I have a ride, and I'll call you in a minute,' which we always keep in contact.

Browne: Now, the thing that gets me is this sort of Cuban-looking, short kind of stocky build, heavyset...

This area doesn't have a large Cuban population. Mostly white. The Hispanics in this area are mostly of Puerto Rican decent. Not Cuban. In the 1990 Census, there were 302 Cubans living in a city of a half million.

Miller: Can you tell me if they'll ever find her? Is she out there?

Browne: She's--see, I hate this when they're in water. I just hate this. She's not alive, honey. And I'll tell you why, here we go again. Your daughter was not the type that would not have called you.

The closest body of water is Lake Erie. Now, bodies of drowned boaters and swimmers are found in the lake all the time. Houses are dotted all along it, we have beaches, restaurants, and bars all along the shore. Whenever I drive along the Shoreway on a nice day, I see fishermen everywhere. I have a hard time believing if someone somehow dumped a body in this lake it would have been found relatively quickly. Unless there was some sort of weight tied to her, but that's something Sylvia should have mentioned.[FONT=ARIAL, MS Sans Serif]

If Browne were the real deal, in this reading I think she would have mentioned Gina DeJesus. She disappeared a few blocks away from where Amanda was last seen. She went missing on April 2, 2004, and it's not outside the realm of possibility that these crimes are related.
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[Verde]

Oh I know I've said it before, but once again, this creature makes me wish that hell really exists. May she burn. Somehow, may she burn.

Julia

I'm a dark-skinned stocky Hispanic drug dealer from Colombia.
If you leave 10Gs in the usual place I'll be happy to set fire to her.

V.




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Legal stuff. I'm not, and wouldn't, but I agree with the sentiment.

 

[SmurfDefiled]

What exactly does she mean by Cuban-looking? How can anyone "look" Cuban? There are 20 Hispanic countries in the Americas and Hispanics can vary from negroes, to brown-skinned to white, the denomination refers to language not race. Cubans are as racially mixed as every other country in the Americas, with perhaps the exception of Argentina which is predominantly European. Sorry, just being nit-picky. I have been trying to find something to post about since I signed up to the forum a couple of days ago .

 

[clerihew80]

What exactly does she mean by Cuban-looking? How can anyone "look" Cuban? There are 20 Hispanic countries in the Americas and Hispanics can vary from negroes, to brown-skinned to white, the denomination refers to language not race. Cubans are as racially mixed as every other country in the Americas, with perhaps the exception of Argentina which is predominantly European. Sorry, just being nit-picky. I have been trying to find something to post about since I signed up to the forum a couple of days ago .

That's not nit-picky at all, SmurfDefiled. That's an excellent point.

 

[RSLancastr]

That's not nit-picky at all, SmurfDefiled. That's an excellent point.

Indeed it is.

 

[pspaddict]

RSL, what do you think of FramerDave's suggestion to ask Sylvia Browne to comment every time you added a new article? Their refusal to comment would be damning after a while.

 

[SmurfDefiled]

Don't even get me started on the whole Aztec-Inca thing...

 

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cubans

What exactly does she mean by Cuban-looking? How can anyone "look" Cuban? There are 20 Hispanic countries in the Americas and Hispanics can vary from negroes, to brown-skinned to white, the denomination refers to language not race. Cubans are as racially mixed as every other country in the Americas, with perhaps the exception of Argentina which is predominantly European. Sorry, just being nit-picky. I have been trying to find something to post about since I signed up to the forum a couple of days ago .

Being nit-picky would be to point out that you forget Chile and possibly Uruguay as mostly caucasian (no disrespect to the Mapuches intended).


For a Spanish-speaker, the only sensible statement would be that someone _sounds_ Cuban - although I am not sure whether Puertorican accent is too different. Even more, most Spaniards would recognize Caribbean spanish, but if only a small number of words are heard it would be impossible to distinguish it from other variants (or do you Yanks claim that after a couple of words you know whether someone is an Ozzie or a Kiwi?).

This is, as has been pointed out, racial stereotyping at its worst.

Having said which, I would have you reflect on something: in the latest Academy Awards there was a bunch of Mexican nominees. All of the them were "güeros" (caucasians), none of "mixed race" (whatever the hell that means). This is in part related to there being race/class correlation in Mexico proper. And this obviously permeates into the perception of the Northern neighbour.

Keep up the good work, Robert!

 

[RSLancastr]

RSL, what do you think of FramerDave's suggestion to ask Sylvia Browne to comment every time you added a new article? Their refusal to comment would be damning after a while.

I answered that, along with a bunch of other earlier posts, but it evidently all fell into the bit bucket.

Basically, I do not wish to delay articles by asking them for comment prior to posting, and then waiting for their reply.

There will be times when I will do so, such as when I asked them for a comment prior to posting the first "jewelry" article. I also gave the webmaster of the Go Sylvia site advance notice that I was going to publish an article which announced her identity.

Browne and her people are always free to comment after an article goes up, and I would tend to post those comments, as I did with the article quoting Prelate Michael McLelland's criticism of two of my articles.

But perhaps I need to add a statement at the end of each of my articles, inviting Browne and her people to comment.

 

[SmurfDefiled]

Actually I have always found the perception of Anglo North Americans regarding Mexicans tends to place them all as "moreno y chaparrito," short and brown-skinned. The blondes who appear in soap operas tend to come as a bit of a shock.

You're right about Chile, I have travelled there a couple of times. It is intensely European. (Priced like Europe too). The English and German influence is very noticeable there.

 

[Monza]

Ok, so it's the spirit's guide fault- why would the spirit guide be so wrong as to tell you a missing child is a prostitute in Japan?!

The spirit guide is operating on a higher plane (or dimension, or vibration) and cannot be wrong. All that happened was that the information was slightly garbled during the transmission to Sylvia. This is sort of like poor reception on a TV or radio, and is what accounts for the <100% (i.e. 85%) success rate.

Francine clearly said that Opel was dead, was killed shortly after she was abducted and her body was located close to where she disappeared. Because Sylvia misheard Francine and lost about 15% of the information, it sounded like she said Opel was alive and had been sold into a slavery ring in Japan.

See? It all makes sense.

 

[Questioninggeller]

I answered that, along with a bunch of other earlier posts, but it evidently all fell into the bit bucket.

Basically, I do not wish to delay articles by asking them for comment prior to posting, and then waiting for their reply.
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You mentioned before that you are thinking about changing the indexing of the website since there are so many articles. Do you still plan to? Maybe a "readings," "church," and "other" category would be helpful.

Also have you thought about adding a "response" section where you post reader email (positive and negative feedback)?

It would be nice to read about some of the positive affects your website has had.

 

[RSLancastr]

You mentioned before that you are thinking about changing the indexing of the website since there are so many articles. Do you still plan to? Maybe a "readings," "church," and "other" category would be helpful.

Actually, Montel, Novus, Email and Other were the ones I was thinking about, but I haven't delved into it too deeply. Perhaps this weekend.

Also have you thought about adding a "response" section where you post reader email (positive and negative feedback)?

I hesitate to do so. It opens up some issues. We'll see.

 

[headscratcher4]

Robert: I wouldn't open your site up to comments -- other than maybe those directly from SB. You'd be burried and it would be a distraction from the point. There are lots of places for people to go to make comments... keep your focus on the articles, your analysis and your request for evidence supporting or refuting....the lack of response to those request, BTW, is a stark testimonial to how well you've nailed the topic. For example, your expose of her possible lack of claimed academic credentials...if she had it, it would be all over her website, Gosylvia, etc. It would have been sent to you. The fact that it isn't anywhere, while not dispositive, certainly seems to bolster your analysis. Great work!