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StopSylvia: Finally!

RSLancastr said:
Should I look into creating StopThatDarlingOldFemaleDoggy.com? :)
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Now you are just being silly, Robert. Nobody would ever want to stop the darling old female doggy! No matter what you call her;)


Thanks. Helen. I feel no reason to be impatient with Browne's supporters. Just Browne.
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I've never needed much reason to become impatient. Nor do I usually display much reason, when I do... Which makes you all the more admirable. And far more likely to succeed in making people think.
 
Avatar49 said:
Ok... Here is a easy challenge for the secret poster. Find me diploma with a masters degree diploma with Sylvia's whatever her name was at the time. Now if I was a public figure and I am not but, still I can find documentation on any of my credentials within 5 minures max. Let's call it a very easy task and I will donate 1,000.00 dollars to his or her favorite charity. Heck I will even give it to him or her person. Now that would be a lot easier than Randi's challenge (although not as much money). Please feel free to tell the secert poster to go for it. He has two weeks. It has to be the school that she has written about in her books.(I think its USF? or whatever I can look it up) Let's call this the secret poster challenge. RSL please feel free to let him or her know.
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Any luck yet, EE? You know what-- Sylvia has been posting and commenting on her church being in dire financial straits. Sylvia should just print off a copy of her degree really quick for you, then Avatar49 will call the school to verify, and then you can donate the $1,000 to Novus. It's a win-win for everyone.
 
Francine said:
Any luck yet, EE? You know what-- Sylvia has been posting and commenting on her church being in dire financial straits. Sylvia should just print off a copy of her degree really quick for you, then Avatar49 will call the school to verify, and then you can donate the $1,000 to Novus. It's a win-win for everyone.
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Francine,

About 15 years ago a friend (I didn't know her at the time) fell victim to SB when her husband of 23 years was killed in a tragic accident. My friend called and made an appt. to see SB for 30 minutes. She told me that having arrived early, she looked around a bit, and noticed more then one luxury vehicle with vanity plates that seemed to indicate they belonged to SB.

Granted, she has no proof that they all belonged to her, but at least 2 of the plates would lead a reasonable person to suspect they did. My question is, if the church is in dire straits, how would SB justify owning luxury cars?

Also, though this probably belongs in another thread, there is one more thing about my friend's reading that I would like to address. Her reading, as I said, was for 30 minutes. SB walked into the room carrying a kitchen timer that she then set and it ticked away through out. She said that Brown was literally mid-sentence when the ringer went off, indicating the session had run it's 30 min. At which point she didn't bother to finish the sentence, say good-bye in closing, or show any other civil mannerism's. She just picked up the timer and walked out.

I would assume that SB would be concerned with her image, perhaps even wanting it known that she has people returning for addittional readings. Even prior to Robert's site, quite a few years prior, my friend realized almost instantly, and much to her chagrin, she had been conned.

Anyway, I suppose I am just venting my confusion as to how such a rude, no class creature, made it as far as she has.

Thanks Francine.

Julia
 
wasapi said:
Francine,

About 15 years ago a friend (I didn't know her at the time) fell victim to SB when her husband of 23 years was killed in a tragic accident. My friend called and made an appt. to see SB for 30 minutes. She told me that having arrived early, she looked around a bit, and noticed more then one luxury vehicle with vanity plates that seemed to indicate they belonged to SB.

Granted, she has no proof that they all belonged to her, but at least 2 of the plates would lead a reasonable person to suspect they did. My question is, if the church is in dire straits, how would SB justify owning luxury cars?

Also, though this probably belongs in another thread, there is one more thing about my friend's reading that I would like to address. Her reading, as I said, was for 30 minutes. SB walked into the room carrying a kitchen timer that she then set and it ticked away through out. She said that Brown was literally mid-sentence when the ringer went off, indicating the session had run it's 30 min. At which point she didn't bother to finish the sentence, say good-bye in closing, or show any other civil mannerism's. She just picked up the timer and walked out.

I would assume that SB would be concerned with her image, perhaps even wanting it known that she has people returning for addittional readings. Even prior to Robert's site, quite a few years prior, my friend realized almost instantly, and much to her chagrin, she had been conned.

Anyway, I suppose I am just venting my confusion as to how such a rude, no class creature, made it as far as she has.

Thanks Francine.

Julia
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That's horrible. Francine may disagree with me to some extent (I'm curious what she will say), but your friend's situation, which is actually very sad, was not representative of all readings with Sylvia Browne. Maybe Francine has heard of that happening more. Your story was the first like it I have heard. It's also possible that things changed drastically between the 1980s and 1995 or so.

Druing my own reading in the late 1980s I was ushered politely into her office. Sylvia was seated behind a rather large desk. She started a tape and began to talk to me about what she was picking up psychically about me. About 20 minutes into the reading she invited me to ask her questions. I had a list. She took the list and carefully went through each question, giving me her impressions. At the end of the reading she recommended a book to me and in fact called Michael in to ask if he could get the exact name and author for me. She also invited me to attend her classes at a discounted rate, knowing I had very little income at that time.

Most people I knew back then had similar experiences.

Maybe she changed. Maybe it depends on what day you catch her or what kind of mood she is in, but she was not always rude. You are right about one thing, she would not have gotten far if she had been to everyone as she was to your poor friend.

Also, at the time of my reading, she drove an average car. She really didn't have a lot of money back then. Maybe it's when the money started rolling in from the Montel show, and fame, that she started to change. I wonder.
 
Francine said:
Any luck yet, EE? You know what-- Sylvia has been posting and commenting on her church being in dire financial straits. Sylvia should just print off a copy of her degree really quick for you, then Avatar49 will call the school to verify, and then you can donate the $1,000 to Novus. It's a win-win for everyone.
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Hey EE whoever you are and howabout if I up my offer to 2,000.00 dollars and a simple challenge to go along with my offer. When you find she does not have a Masters Degree in any subject from any accredited school. Do this for yourself and open your eyes just a bit to see a little truth. You will not be sorry.
 
ExMinister said:
That's horrible. Francine may disagree with me to some extent (I'm curious what she will say), but your friend's situation, which is actually very sad, was not representative of all readings with Sylvia Browne. Maybe Francine has heard of that happening more. Your story was the first like it I have heard. It's also possible that things changed drastically between the 1980s and 1995 or so.

Druing my own reading in the late 1980s I was ushered politely into her office. Sylvia was seated behind a rather large desk. She started a tape and began to talk to me about what she was picking up psychically about me. About 20 minutes into the reading she invited me to ask her questions. I had a list. She took the list and carefully went through each question, giving me her impressions. At the end of the reading she recommended a book to me and in fact called Michael in to ask if he could get the exact name and author for me. She also invited me to attend her classes at a discounted rate, knowing I had very little income at that time.

Most people I knew back then had similar experiences.

Maybe she changed. Maybe it depends on what day you catch her or what kind of mood she is in, but she was not always rude. You are right about one thing, she would not have gotten far if she had been to everyone as she was to your poor friend.

Also, at the time of my reading, she drove an average car. She really didn't have a lot of money back then. Maybe it's when the money started rolling in from the Montel show, and fame, that she started to change. I wonder.
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Her reading was in April of 1997. She said that the person that ushered her into the room for the reading was neither rude or polite, more indifferent. The walls of - at least the waiting room - were full of picture's of her and Montel, so I believe the money had started rolling in.

My friend, having only been widowed a few months, was dressed in dark clothes and had been crying. As soon as SB walked in she said, "You have a man standing next to you and he died from a burst hematobia." My friend volunteered that her husband had been a long-haul trucker and while going down a steep hill the brakes had gone out. He had complained to his boss about the breaks and that day was assured they had been checked and were fine. They weren't, and he sustained massive injuries. Two hours later in the hospital while she held his hand, he died of internal injuries.

Sylvia wouldn't let it go, like a dog with a bone, "No,no, no dear, he was dead before the truck ever crashed. He died from a sudden, burst hematobia, and was dead instantly." My friend knew she had made a huge mistake.

Under other circumstance something else Sylvia said would be hilarious. She advised my friend, "Even though it wasn't the fault of the truck company or your husband's boss, because it had nothing to do with the condition of the truck, you should sue them anyway. You should sue them for a lot of money because I can tell, they're JUST NOT NICE PEOPLE."

Oh, the ironey.

Julia
 
wasapi said:
Her reading was in April of 1997. She said that the person that ushered her into the room for the reading was neither rude or polite, more indifferent. The walls of - at least the waiting room - were full of picture's of her and Montel, so I believe the money had started rolling in.

My friend, having only been widowed a few months, was dressed in dark clothes and had been crying. As soon as SB walked in she said, "You have a man standing next to you and he died from a burst hematobia." My friend volunteered that her husband had been a long-haul trucker and while going down a steep hill the brakes had gone out. He had complained to his boss about the breaks and that day was assured they had been checked and were fine. They weren't, and he sustained massive injuries. Two hours later in the hospital while she held his hand, he died of internal injuries.

Sylvia wouldn't let it go, like a dog with a bone, "No,no, no dear, he was dead before the truck ever crashed. He died from a sudden, burst hematobia, and was dead instantly." My friend knew she had made a huge mistake.

Under other circumstance something else Sylvia said would be hilarious. She advised my friend, "Even though it wasn't the fault of the truck company or your husband's boss, because it had nothing to do with the condition of the truck, you should sue them anyway. You should sue them for a lot of money because I can tell, they're JUST NOT NICE PEOPLE."

Oh, the ironey.

Julia
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That's just really awful.

It reminds me of the story on Robert's web site of the woman who lost her husband in 9/11. He was a firefighter. Sylvia said he drowned, and then she just wouldn't back off. You could just watch the woman's face and see how Sylvia had lost all credibility with her forever.

Sylvia was polite and friendly during my reading. But, it turned out, mostly wrong.

I did the math awhile back, and out of approximately 33 statements that could count as predictions/psychic statements, as opposed to advice, she was wrong on 21 of them - everything to do with my career, who I would meet, when I would marry, how many kids I would have, where I would move and when - all wrong. She was right on 7 (I do sometimes have back pain, my life was in turmoil, my dad did move to Colorado, something he was likely to do when I asked her, he didn't win the lottery). About 5 were unknown (she said I would die at 87 of stroke, told me my themes, that I was psychic) or vague.

My reading lasted about 40 minutes. I hear these days they are down to 15 or 20 minutes, telephone readings, and at least twice as expensive.
 
ExMinister said:
That's just really awful

It reminds me of the story on Robert's web site of the woman who lost her husband in 9/11. He was a firefighter. Sylvia said he drowned, and then she just wouldn't back off. You could just watch the woman's face and see how Sylvia had lost all credibility with her forever.

Sylvia was polite and friendly during my reading. But, it turned out, mostly wrong.
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Ex-Minister

This was a Montel show and I did see this when it aired. I like were Sylvia stated that he actually drown in the twin tower because of all the water coming down to put out the flames. I mean c'mon...If you are wrong just say you are wrong. You got to love that last minute spin.
 
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Avatar49 said:
ExMinister said:
That's just really awful

It reminds me of the story on Robert's web site of the woman who lost her husband in 9/11. He was a firefighter. Sylvia said he drowned, and then she just wouldn't back off. You could just watch the woman's face and see how Sylvia had lost all credibility with her forever.

Sylvia was polite and friendly during my reading. But, it turned out, mostly wrong.
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Ex-Minister

This was a Montel show and I did see this when it aired. I like were Sylvia stated that he actually drown in the twin tower because of all the water coming down to put out the flames. I mean c'mon...If you are wrong just say you are wrong. You got to love that last minute spin.
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I don't recall if Robert has it on his site, but one of the worst Montel's with Sylvia involved grieving parents of a 17 yr old girl. Beyond saying their daughter was dead she didn't allow them to say anything and she self-rightously blurted out, "She was shot in the chest" Just matter-of-fact. The parents were like deer in a headlight and told her that their daughter had died at the dinner table from some type of seizure. They had only come to ask if she was OK on the other-side. SB wouldn't back down a bit. "No!" she said firmly, it had not been a siezure and she went into some bs jargon about a medical condition that causes such pressure in the chest that it is just like being shot in the chest. Exacerbating my disgust was Montel backing SB up, and talking over the distraught parents as he did so, making sure they couldn't question any more before they went to the next segment. I felt sorry for the parents, but it was obvious that SB had lost yet a couple more believers.

Julia
 
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Well chalk one up for us. It seems that EE has come to the realization the he can not find any proof of Sylvia having any Master degree of any kind. Now please EE take my challenge and do not believe what you hear or even see, from Sylvia. Oh and EE you still have 12 days so please keep searching for the phantom degree. It really is no fun when you give up this early in the game. Remember EE nothing magical happens in this life and you need to work for what you get. Sylvia can not just say something and in hopes that it will come true. Remember when you are a Avatar I can see things and go places you cannot.

Oh! and EE please feel free to post here so all of this forum may hear from you. Remember wherever you post I will see it.
 
wasapi said:
Francine,

About 15 years ago a friend (I didn't know her at the time) fell victim to SB when her husband of 23 years was killed in a tragic accident. My friend called and made an appt. to see SB for 30 minutes. She told me that having arrived early, she looked around a bit, and noticed more then one luxury vehicle with vanity plates that seemed to indicate they belonged to SB.

Granted, she has no proof that they all belonged to her, but at least 2 of the plates would lead a reasonable person to suspect they did. My question is, if the church is in dire straits, how would SB justify owning luxury cars?

Also, though this probably belongs in another thread, there is one more thing about my friend's reading that I would like to address. Her reading, as I said, was for 30 minutes. SB walked into the room carrying a kitchen timer that she then set and it ticked away through out. She said that Brown was literally mid-sentence when the ringer went off, indicating the session had run it's 30 min. At which point she didn't bother to finish the sentence, say good-bye in closing, or show any other civil mannerism's. She just picked up the timer and walked out.

I would assume that SB would be concerned with her image, perhaps even wanting it known that she has people returning for addittional readings. Even prior to Robert's site, quite a few years prior, my friend realized almost instantly, and much to her chagrin, she had been conned.

Anyway, I suppose I am just venting my confusion as to how such a rude, no class creature, made it as far as she has.

Thanks Francine.

Julia
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Hi Julia- It's such a shame that your friend was victimized by Sylvia. I know how it is to be in such a state of grief that you would pay any amount of money to have someone help you make sense of it all.

That being said, I am actually suprised that Sylvia would be this rude in person during a one on one reading. Don't get me wrong- she is an absolute embarrassment in public. And she can get quite snippy on the phone. But she will usually act like your best friend during an in-person reading. It's part of her narcissism affliction. She usually loves the attention she gets in person and it boosts her ego even more. I've never witnessed her not even bothering to wrap things up.

Maybe the nicotine patch wore off?
 
I remember flipping channels years ago and coming across Sylvia on Montel's show saying that she didn't believe in gravity. I really wanted her to elaborate further but she didn't and Montel didn't press her. Does anyone know what she might have been getting at?
 
Foster Zygote said:
I remember flipping channels years ago and coming across Sylvia on Montel's show saying that she didn't believe in gravity. I really wanted her to elaborate further but she didn't and Montel didn't press her. Does anyone know what she might have been getting at?
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You did not know that there is no gravity? The earth sucks.
 
Some more on my correspondence with this gentleman ("EE").

A few weeks ago, he contacted me and asked, if i were to receive emails with positive accounts of readings with Sylvia or her son Christopher, would I publish them on my site? I told him that I had been requesting such accounts since the site went up. I couldn't guarantee I would publish them, as I don't publish all of the negative ones either, but would consider them on a case-by-case basis.

EE apparently made a request for such accounts on the pro-Browne forum, and I subsequently received emails from two people describing what they felt were positive readings they had with Christopher. I was already planning to publish an article with several emails detailing what others felt were negative experiences with Christopher. and so welcomed these new accounts, which will give the planned article a little balance, and will show what some people consider a "positive" reading.

I emailed EE thanking him for his part in this, and told him that I hoped to resolve the issues which were preventing me from updating the site, in time to publish these "Christopher" reading accounts by the end of October. A few days ago I emailed him again, saying that the issues were still in the way, and that the hoped-for article would probably not be up by the end of October.

I have received no reply from him regarding this, but I read a few hours ago that he posted about it on that pro-Browne forum, so he evidently received it.

I emailed him about this a few minutes ago, and asked him to post the following in that forum, from me:

Me said:
"If ANY of you can point to an example of Browne being meaningfully correct about any missing person or murder case BEFORE that case was solved, please email me with whatever details you can at webmaster@StopSylvia.com. I will research the case, and will post my findings on my web site. I have been making this offer almost since my site opened in late 2006, and I have yet to receive an email from anyone even ATTEMPTING to show me such a case. I am fairly confident that if such a case existed, Sylvia and Montel (back when his show was still on) would have trumpeted it from the rooftops. If you think that I won't publish such a case, just post the details of the case here in this pro-Browne forum, or in your personal blog, or wherever you feel best. If no such case is posted, you should all wonder just why that is."
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I hope to receive SOME attempts to show me such a case, but, after four years of hearing nothing but the sound of crickets when I make this request, I am not holding my breath.

Then again, I had never gotten a response to my asking for someone to point out anything on my site which they believed was untrue or inaccurate, until EE took a stab at it, so - who knows? Not Sylvia, obviously.

I just thought some of you would be interested in these developments.
 
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