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Stop poisoning our pets!

Emet said:
This vet discussed it here. The first comment is by an occasional SBM writer who has a separate blog-- I like the phrase, placebo effect by proxy. :)
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But even that assumes the placebo effect is all about the patient. I understood that the placebo effect is much broader than that in that the doctor expects better outcomes for treated animals as compared to untreated animals. In other words, it encompasses a whole set of biases that make the patient and doctor think the treatment "worked" when it didn't change anything at all.

BTW, not arguing against what you are saying, only thinking that placebo effect covers a broader concept than "you think you got better only because you thought you were being treated."
 
Dr. Keith said:
But even that assumes the placebo effect is all about the patient. I understood that the placebo effect is much broader than that in that the doctor expects better outcomes for treated animals as compared to untreated animals. In other words, it encompasses a whole set of biases that make the patient and doctor think the treatment "worked" when it didn't change anything at all.

BTW, not arguing against what you are saying, only thinking that placebo effect covers a broader concept than "you think you got better only because you thought you were being treated."
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Did you read the SBM article?
 
If the large sums of money thing is true, then I know a vet who is getting ripped off. She brings her bratty kids to the barn when she is coming to treat an animal or put one down. You think she'd be able to afford a babysitter with her big sacks of cash.
 
Amapola said:
Agreed. Most diseases animals get do not transmit to humans. If vaccines are only being developed for humans, why have one for a disease only a horse can get?

One point though, although *animals* do not have a placebo effect, their *owners* might. I've seen "chiropractors" (I've got another word for that, but want to stay within the membership agreement) do some "work" on a horse, and the owner afterwards swore the horse was better - even though she looked exactly the same to me, and TBH I did not think there was ever anything wrong with her to start with. I'm sure it happens with dogs and cats too.
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The explanation for that is that you can stand a horse in a position where they're not comfortable, do the BS thing and move the horse onto their preferred standing position.
Look, the horse is 'cured' that will be X number of dollars...
 
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