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"Stop playing the racist card!"

Polaris said:
So you're saying it's accurate?
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I have to agree with you. The example picked was not a good counterpoint as it is well documented that the RCC by its institutionalised practices did not deal with known paedophiles and many times left them in positions in which they could continue to abuse children.

It is also not a good counterargument because there is no equivalent of the RCC in the Islamic religions.
 
Humes fork said:
Where have I called for the death of anyone?

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Where did I say you had called for the death of anyone?

I merely pointed out that there are different forms of bigotry that have nothing to do with racism. And decrying an entire religion is a form of bigotry.
 
Travis said:
Where did I say you had called for the death of anyone?

I merely pointed out that there are different forms of bigotry that have nothing to do with racism. And decrying an entire religion is a form of bigotry.
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No, it isn't.
Are people bigoted because they find the whole ritual sacrifice obsessed Aztec religions rather distasteful?
What about the scam of Scientology?

It's not bigoted to be opposed to things that are clearly wrong.
I'm not comparing either of the previous two examples to Islam either, before anyone suggests so.
 
Ryokan said:
Creationism isn't a religion.
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Now you are setting up that thick wall of "respect" around religion that Dawkins has talked about.

You know what? I don't care if you think religion deserves special respect. I don't think it does, and I'm not going to give it any.
 
Humes fork said:
Now you are setting up that thick wall of "respect" around religion that Dawkins has talked about.

You know what? I don't care if you think religion deserves special respect. I don't think it does, and I'm not going to give it any.
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You misunderstand. You're taking one post out of context and attacking me on that basis. My reply was part of an ongoing conversation, not a statement that can be taken on its own.

I'll try to explain it to you. Some people think it's bigotry to attack all of a religion, or all its members, on the basis of what a few people within that religion believe or do. The question was then if speaking out against creationism is bigotry. I say it isn't - because creationism isn't a religion, it isn't applicable in the same way. If, however, someone would say that Christianity is a stupid religion, because Christians believe in creationism - then it might be bigotry. At the very least, it's very wrong, and speaking up about that doesn't make you an apologist.

What your biggest problem is, Humes, is that you assume too much about peoples' motives.
 
Ok, so its bigotry is you are against a religion, but not bigotry if you are against a religion


makes sense

or not
 
pipelineaudio said:
So is speaking against creationism bigotry?
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Speaking against creationism the concept = not bigotry

Persecuting the people that believe in creationism = bigotry

Dissolution said:
No, it isn't.
Are people bigoted because they find the whole ritual sacrifice obsessed Aztec religions rather distasteful?
What about the scam of Scientology?

It's not bigoted to be opposed to things that are clearly wrong.
I'm not comparing either of the previous two examples to Islam either, before anyone suggests so.
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So, we should massacre every single person in a religion because we find aspects of its practice that they likely never participated in to be repulsive?

You really don't get how exterminating an entire religion might just be countering a wrong with an even huger wrong?
 
The concept that bigoted Islamophobes do not acknowledge is that the "religious customs" to which nearly everyone in the "West" would object to–the ones that would not get one labeled "bigoted" or "Islamphobic" for objecting to and even working actively to end–are in no way universal or integral to Islam. However, assuming that they are essential to the Islam and therefore permeate Islam in such a way that Muslims who do not adhere to such beliefs are not true Muslim and that such beliefs make Islam fundamentally incompatible with "Western" value is bigoted and Islamophobic–and calling such assumption what the actually are is not a cheap rhetorical trick to shut down rational debate.
 
Yes.

If all people of a certain religion are restricted to live in certain areas or hold certain jobs you wouldn't see that as a form of persecution?
 
Travis said:
So, we should massacre every single person in a religion because we find aspects of its practice that they likely never participated in to be repulsive?

You really don't get how exterminating an entire religion might just be countering a wrong with an even huger wrong?
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Who said anything about massacring anyone or exterminating people?
Care to address the actual point rather than the strawman that you've thrown up?
 
Humes fork said:
Now you are setting up that thick wall of "respect" around religion that Dawkins has talked about.

You know what? I don't care if you think religion deserves special respect. I don't think it does, and I'm not going to give it any.
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That is a quite bizarre response to the anodyne and correct observation that "creationism isn't a religion".
 
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