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"Stop playing the racist card!"

Isn't it kinda racist to create a graphic where the only "Muslim" displaying any type of negative emotion is the "typical Muslim" by Western standards?
 
Humes fork said:
It is essentially correct, from what I can see. Whenever I or anyone else here criticize Islam, we don't bring ethnicity or race or origins to the table. It is (ironically) always those who accuse us of bigotry who bring those to the table and then want to cover the entire table with it, so to speak. They are clearly much more interested in that than I or any other critic of Islam here (or Dawkins) is. I agree that those who play the racist card should just shut the **** up.
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Please be so kind as to include a direct link to any examples of where you've been accused of racism for criticizing Islam. Thanks in advance.


BTW if you're looking for alternatives, I hear not-collecting stamps makes for a fascinating hobby.
 
Calling for the death of all Catholics isn't racist either.

Doesn't make it right though.
 
Plus the "criticism" of Islam that Humes fork has offered is on par with "the Catholic Church encourages pedophilia".
 
blutoski said:
Your post content has been described as anti-religious bigotry, but not racism.
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catsmate1 said:
[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1054&pictureid=7788[/qimg]
Well I, for one, have never accused you of racism. I have, and will continue to, point out your bigotry towards a certain religion and it's adherents.
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mijopaalmc said:
Looks like Humes fork has conveniently "forgotten" that Islam(ic) and Muslim are often racialized categories. Even if the primary objection was that racist was an inappropriate label for anti-Islamic and anti-Muslim (aI&aM) attitudes, the assertion that aI&aM attitudes are not racist is consequently itself problematic.

The argument that aI&aM are inappropriately labeled racist is further problematized–in the context of this thread–because Humes fork has a tendency to make grossly generalizing statements about Muslims as a monolithic group. Humes fork's focus on the specific charge of racism, therefore, seems conceptually inconsistent with the simultaneous effort toward generalization about Muslims as a whole. If there's no objection to using fundamentalist Islam and Islamism to criticize Islam as a whole, side stepping the issue of bigotry in general because "Islam is not a race" appears to contradict the over-arching theme of generalization as racism is merely one form bigotry.
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marplots said:
"Stop playing the racist card!"
"Stop being a racist."
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I haven't really participated in these threads, but can you give an example or two of something bigoted he wrote?
 
Next week Humes Fork might even realise some Muslims are women...and no, not all of them are wearing burquas...or even head scarves.

To expect him to realise that not only doesn't Muslims look the same, their beliefs differ as well, but then his head will probably implode.

Oh, and wouldn't it be nice for HF to comment on the blog post? Seeing how he found it so very good he simply hat to link to it and more or less order us to read it?
 
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mijopaalmc said:
Isn't it kinda racist to create a graphic where the only "Muslim" displaying any type of negative emotion is the "typical Muslim" by Western standards?
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Given that the white Muslim is a convicted terrorist, probably not.
It's Richard Dart/Salahuddin, subject of the BBC documentary My Brother the Islamist:



Currently serving six years at Her Majesty's pleasure for being a frothing loon, basically.
 
Travis said:
Calling for the death of all Catholics isn't racist either.

Doesn't make it right though.
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Where have I called for the death of anyone?

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hgus said:
Muslims are not a race, but they are predominately foreign. They are the others! IE. Non-white and non-europeans. So in that sense I think one can be rasist when criticizing muslims. But I do not think you can ever be racist if you criticize Islam.

(This post only makes sense if you are in a predominately white country.)
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Is criticism of Christianity racist? A very large portion of Christians, probably even a majority*, are not whites.

*Europe is pretty secular (the more so if you go north-west), Christianity is the predominant religion in Latin America, is very big in Africa, and there are significant Christian minorities in plenty of Middle Eastern countries.
 
hgus said:
Muslims are not a race, but they are predominately foreign. They are the others! IE. Non-white and non-europeans. So in that sense I think one can be rasist when criticizing muslims. But I do not think you can ever be racist if you criticize Islam.

(This post only makes sense if you are in a predominately white country.)
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Christians are predominantly foreign to me. Am I not allowed to criticize Christianity anymore?
 
blutoski said:
I don't have to look at the blogspot post to point out a problem with this post.

Notice the word in your subject: "racist"

Notice the word in your text: "bigotry"

Your post content has been described as anti-religious bigotry, but not racism. We can look back, but based on my memory nobody has "used the racist card" in a discussion of this type.

Any critical thinker will recognize this as a strawperson argument, right?
Why would you post an argument to a Skeptic's forum that would fail Critical Thinking 101?
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This a critical thinking forum? Hah! Please tell me, is this a post made by someone who seems to be at all interested in critical thinking?

No wonder other skeptics have such a low opinion on this forum.
 
Humes fork said:
This a critical thinking forum? Hah! Please tell me, is this a post made by someone who seems to be at all interested in critical thinking?
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Doesn't look like it. So what?

My point was that atheists say they go there through critical thinking, and I find that claim dubious. I suspect most have absorbed it the way we absorb almost all beliefs: informally, linked to ideological first principles and community-dependent information availability.




Humes fork said:
No wonder other skeptics have such a low opinion on this forum.
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Not sure what that is intended to show. It's measuring a crossover, not popularity.

If we did a poll here, I'll bet 95% of respondents are not involved in SGU forums. Such a statistic would not be interpreted as a critique of SGU forums.
 
Frozenwolf150 said:
Please be so kind as to include a direct link to any examples of where you've been accused of racism for criticizing Islam. Thanks in advance.
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Then HF responds with a link to this post from this very thread.
marplots said:
"Stop playing the racist card!"
"Stop being a racist."
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BZZZT. Thanks for playing HF, but that is not correct. Marplots simply accused you of being racist, and did not cite your criticism of Islam as his reasons. He may very well have been basing it on something unrelated to your position on Islam to base his opinion on.

Furthermore both marplots and Frozenwolf150 were responding to your claim in the OP. You cannot claim that people are calling you racist because of your position on Islam and then cite as an example a post that came after that claim.

Please, if you will, cite a post made prior to you starting this thread showing somebody accusing of you being racist, specifically because of your opinion on Islam.
 
Humes fork said:
Christians are predominantly foreign to me. Am I not allowed to criticize Christianity anymore?
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Humes fork said:
No wonder other skeptics have such a low opinion on this forum.
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In what way is that even remotely relevant?
 
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