Merged Stolen Palestinian Land

Seriously, Goury, I wonder if you actually understand what this conflict is all about.
 
Pardalis said:
So it's a "yes"?
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Your agenda is transparent ..... anyone who says yes and therefore in your eyes has glued themselves to Hamas ( I'll ignore the current Zionist agenda to drag Iran into it. I've heard enough of that propagandic crap today over Iran's satellite launch ) is then fair game to be called an Anti-Semite. Right Pardalis?

I agree that Israel has a right to exist. What I don't agree with is the methods and sentiments used in creating Israel and Israel certainly has no right to steal peoples land in order to exist.

Israel could have been created somewhere else which didn't need to involve them pushing out 800,000 people and then 61 years of persecuting them.
 
Oliver said:
Uhm, I'm agreeing with the fact that the declaration of the State of Israel was the loss of the majority of land to a Jewish minority. Look closely to spot the differences in both images: :rolleyes:

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Palestine for and after Israel's declaration of independence
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Looks like the Jews got the Negev. Good for them.

But, Oliver, what is wrong with this picture?

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Is it unreasonable?


Tin Foil Timothy said:
Israel could have been created somewhere else which didn't need to involve them pushing out 800,000 people and then 61 years of persecuting them.
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800,000 refugees displaced due to conflict, or were they ethnically cleansed?
 
I'll ignore the current Zionist agenda to drag Iran into it.
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What do you mean by "current Zionist agenda"? How do you differentiate with the other one, the "past Zionist agenda"?

Tin Foil Timothy said:
I agree that Israel has a right to exist.
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How would you describe your arguments in favor of its existence?

Israel could have been created somewhere else which didn't need to involve them pushing out 800,000 people and then 61 years of persecuting them.
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Well it's there now, how do you consolidate this statement of yours with the one I just quoted above?

And most importantly, how do you make organizations like Hamas and countries like Iran understand?
 
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Pardalis said:
Neither of you have understood my post.

For Hamas and regimes like Iran, Israel itself is stolen land (again, pay attention, I'm not talking about the illegal settlements in the West Bank, but the entire Israel where it stands now), so therefore for them Israel has no right to exist.

Do you agree with that assessment?
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I don't doubt that, but Israel can't justify theft that way. It's basic ethics.
 
a_unique_person said:
I don't doubt that, but Israel can't justify theft that way. It's basic ethics.
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Incredible, it's like we're having two simultaneous and unrelated conversations, one of which I absolutely don't care for.

If you have nothing to add to what I actually wrote, then stop hopping in conversations you are not concerned with.
 
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Pardalis said:
Incredible, it's like we're having two simultaneous and unrelated conversations, one of which I absolutely don't care for.

If you have nothing to add to what I actually wrote, then stop hopping in conversations you are not concerned with.
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Well, what's your point then, Goury?
 
Pardalis said:
What do you mean by "current Zionist agenda"? How do you differentiate with the other one, the "past Zionist agenda"?
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Surely you don't think Zionism has completely switched agendas following some kind of watershed. go away and research the Zionist view on Iran.


How would you describe your arguments in favor of its existence?
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Humanitarian
 
Pardalis said:
Incredible, it's like we're having two simultaneous and unrelated conversations, one of which I absolutely don't care for.

If you have nothing to add to what I actually wrote, then stop hopping in conversations you are not concerned with.
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Are the forum Dictator or something? It looks like you've run out of arguments Pardalis. I can always tell when you resolve to substanceless sarcasm
 
You said you agreed Jews should have their homeland.

Tin Foil Timothy said:
Now personally I have absolutely no problem in the existence of the State of Israel as an entity which allows the Jewish ethnicity/race to have a homeland.
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Isn't that called "Zionism"? Aren't you contradicting yourself?
 
Pardalis said:
You said you agreed Jews should have their homeland.

Isn't that called "Zionism"? Aren't you contradicting yourself?
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You really are losing it now aren't you? It was repeatedly explained to you and your friend Mark Corrigan, who is in desperate need to finish his dissertation on Israel, the difference between a simple belief that Jews should have a homeland and the actual active Zionist movement stated by Theodore Herzl.

Remember? zionist v. Zionism ????

Personally I don't think there's much point in having a label for someone who simply believes in humanitarian care for people having a homeland. but to the Zionists, zionism is politically useful.

Oliver is correct. You really don't have much of a core understanding of what this is all about do you?
 
Pardalis said:
You said you agreed Jews should have their homeland.

Isn't that called "Zionism"? Aren't you contradicting yourself?
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Not necessarily:

"Zionism is a political movement and an ideology that supports a homeland for the Jewish people in the Land of Israel," Source :p
 
Oliver said:
Not necessarily:

"Zionism is a political movement and an ideology that supports a homeland for the Jewish people in the Land of Israel," Source :p
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Oliver It's very charitable of you helping Pardalis learn the basics. I commend you for it. Personally I'd let him do the dirty work himself, like we all had to. :) :)
 
Tin Foil Timothy said:
Remember? zionist v. Zionism ????
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You still haven't explained the difference intelligently. You even admitted yourself of making it up and it being a mere semantic evasion.

Oliver is correct. You really don't have much of a core understanding of what this is all about do you?
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What I keep telling you is that organizations like Hamas and countries like Iran (for example) don't want Jews to have their homeland in Israel, this is what this is all about.

You can't have it both ways. Jews already have their homeland, it's called Israel. Whether you like how it was created is beyond the point now. It exists now. Since you agree that this is a good thing for Jews to have their homeland, you should stop defending those who seek to destroy it.
 
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Oliver said:
Not necessarily:

"Zionism is a political movement and an ideology that supports a homeland for the Jewish people in the Land of Israel," Source :p
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So you agree with Israel's enemies that Jews should resettle elsewhere than Israel, that Israel should be destroyed?
 
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