Merged Steve Jobs has died.

A few months ago I started selling cell phones as my company added it to the electronic's section. So when the store is dead I play with the booth phones, and research stuff, mostly on Cnet. Thus I've learned a bit about the industry, although I'm no expert despite what they call me at work.

Unless Jobs thought he could have brought down Android with lawsuits, which is extremely unlikely, I don't see a way they could have done it. Android has a lot more hardware choices than iOS, which is something many people want. It's also something Apple would consider 'diluting the brand', so they simply won't do it quickly. With what Apple as a company has been doing, I'd wager (although not much) that a continued barrage of lawsuits against everyone tied to Android would have been the tactic of choice. Although many companies have been litigious of late, spurred on by a messed up patent system and some companies being nothing more than patent trolls (a tactic that Apple has both emulated and lost to recently).

There are a few other differences as well, and while I really like the iPhone 4s, I much prefer Android, especially the Bionic. It's web surfing is simply much, much better, and I like bigger screens. So do a lot of people. I simply don't see a way that Apple could have 'destroyed' Google over this. Hopefully others inside of Apple would have been able to temper Jobs' haterage towards them.

Oh, and the new smart Razr and Galaxy Nexus (if you want a full 720p screen) should be out soon if you're looking for awesome phones to switch too (depending on your carrier).
Ha, cults are always extremely litigious what more could we expect? Yeah ok I'm just going to buy the Nexus and compare them directly, use them both for a bit and then make a scientific choice on experience...
 
But things like iphone, ipad, macbook air have mass appeal because they are great products, and designed to be functional for the great unwashed.

The unwashed? Really? I think you have too high and too low an opinion of people. Was the pet rock functional and great in design? It sold like hotcakes when it came out. It was a fad. And then lets not forget the litigious nature of Apple and their push to kill all similar competitors. Having a lock on the market, their own store with proprietary file format, and lock in deals have nothing to do with it... :rolleyes:

Take the Macbook air, for example. Look where companies like intel are going with it:
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/sponsors-of-tomorrow/ultrabook.html . Is Intel part of the cult, too ? Or is the cult driving Intel towards 'ultrabooks' ? Just marketing hype ?

You do know that Intel markets all products that have their processors in. Especially, those with small market share with high purchase turnaround and great markup. And I'm sorry, I work in programming and I know lots of techies, yet I know no one with a Macbook or ultrabook. I know a few with Apple desktops and some with iPods and iPhones, but most are young and get the newest tech fads as soon as they come out. Cultural, technological, and fashion fads are common and last for years and only when they die do people realize they were fads.
 
Jobs consulted a psychic

Poking through the book.

"Specifically, he kept to a strict vegan diet, with large quantities of fresh carrot and fruit juices. To that regimen he added acupuncture, a variety of herbal remedies, and occasionally a few other treatments he found on the Internet or by consulting people around the country, including a psychic."

:covereyes

His friends fought with him over this, Levinson said it almost cost their friendship.

Even Dean Ornish took him on a long walk and tried to get him to have surgery.

His weird habits of purging and fasting he had practised since a teenager got in the way of his recovery, on this it does not elaborate. So he was fasting and "cleansing" after the surgery?

His refusal to eat meat products was a problem because after you have part of your pancreas removed it's even harder to get enough protein. That's incredibly stupid.
 
This is the point, I think. They're marketed well, but they're also simply damn good products.

True but if you look at what happened in the last decade on technology improvement on MP3/PDA/Phone/Laptop, they are more *great evolution* than *great revolution*. They sold a lot yes, but when it comes down to it, they do not earn half the demi-god praise they get from a few. Heck Jobs was praised as one of the great man revolutioning our lives, but there are many many inventor which revolutionned it more but are less well known.

How many would shed tears and put rose on the ground for the death of Tim Berners-Lee ? Do even people KNOW who he is (a mean aside the minority of technophile) ? That is an example among many which revolutionned computing or our life, but did not get the cult following that jobs did.

heck, the only reason Jobs *in name* is praised is that because he did a wonderful jobs (sic) at PR. Not because he was essential at any point. Contrast that with people which indeed REALLY revolutionized our world.
 
This is good information. I want hardware and data service, if this is how they need to make their money, I will pay extra to not have this scummy practice pushed on me. I want ultimate control, I want to feel like I don't have to see or feel anything I don't like, I want a weapon, a tool.

This is just getting ridiculous now. Today I tried to delete a song out of my iphone because it keeps coming up on shuffle. I need to connect it to my computer and use itunes to do that. I know, it's *********** pathetic.

If you want a user experience you can completely control, try Meego. :-P

You need to pick the best tool for the job. Apparently for many, an iPhone works. You know you can fairly easily jailbreak it and remove newsstand, etc.

Google does plenty to control their experience as well, and then so do the carriers, as you noted with apps that are not removable from android devices unless you root your phone. Where android has the advantage over apple is for people who want that total control - just root your phone and install cyanogenmod or one of the bazillion custom roms.

As for deleting songs ... really ? I just slide my finger to the left over the song and/or album and the delete button comes up ... please do try and keep up with how the OS works.
 
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The unwashed? Really? I think you have too high and too low an opinion of people. Was the pet rock functional and great in design? It sold like hotcakes when it came out. It was a fad. And then lets not forget the litigious nature of Apple and their push to kill all similar competitors. Having a lock on the market, their own store with proprietary file format, and lock in deals have nothing to do with it... :rolleyes:

Re: opinions on people - probably true. :)

As to the fad aspect - are you really going there ? iPods are a 'fad' ? Tablets are a 'fad' ? I am going to have to disagree. Perhaps we need a clearer definition of what a fad is in order to go down this rabbit hole.

I am not sure what 'lock' on the market Apple has ? Care to elaborate ? iTunes sells unencumbered music in a relatively open format. One could easily make the case the popularity of iTunes is what drove the music industry to (mostly) remove DRM on music, to unseat iTunes' dominance. Remember Jobs' letter on open music ? Google has bought up 3 times the number of companies as apple in the same time period. That seems like a really fine way to kill competitors. :mad: As far as lock in deals ... well ... that's part of the whole problem. Amazon, Google, Apple, Netflix ... they are *all* beholden to the content providers in the area of digital content. Apple is hardly a standout in this regard. App store ? Not really sure how that is appreciably different than Google market and google experience devices. You tell me.

You do know that Intel markets all products that have their processors in. Especially, those with small market share with high purchase turnaround and great markup.

Intel marks up their processors more depending on what device it's going in ? I think you are missing my point. The market for tablets and ultrabooks is going to continue to grow. Perhaps only time will tell if it's just a fad, but current market analysis doesn't appear to see it this way. Apple led the way with the Air into a burgeoning market that is now basically just catching up.

And I'm sorry, I work in programming and I know lots of techies, yet I know no one with a Macbook or ultrabook. I know a few with Apple desktops and some with iPods and iPhones, but most are young and get the newest tech fads as soon as they come out. Cultural, technological, and fashion fads are common and last for years and only when they die do people realize they were fads.

The plural of anecdote is not evidence ? I work in IT security, so yeah, I guess I know a lot of techies too, but I am not going to introduce my personal experience as some sort of evidence that apple products are a fad. That's silly.
 
What was leading the way with the Air?

Originally in the context of Jobs as a visionary, I think my point was that the Macbook Air was ahead of the rest of the market as a form factor people would desire. Evidence was Intels current marketing push of 'ultrabooks' and the now surfacing number of macbook air clones.

Now - are 'ultrabooks' simply the next fad ? That will remain to be seen - 'netbooks' certainly made a big splash ... but then settled into a fairly niche market.

You can also assert that any popularity of 'ultrabooks' is due to the cult of apple, but I have yet to see a case to made for that.
 
I do have a useless crap folder. The thing that pissed me off is that it won't go into there either. It demands to be there. It is on the last page now, of course, but every once in awhile i accidentally slip too far and there it is, a sign of disrespect right in my face.
How dare you think you know what you need better than Jobs??!?!

Did you hear the story about Jobs when he was asked to sign a keyboard? The keyboard was manufactured when he wasn't at Apple, so it had function keys and cursor keys. When it was handed to him he pulled out his car keys and pried them all off. You know, because you are supposed to use the mouse to do everything, so those keys are worthless.
 
Originally in the context of Jobs as a visionary, I think my point was that the Macbook Air was ahead of the rest of the market as a form factor people would desire. Evidence was Intels current marketing push of 'ultrabooks' and the now surfacing number of macbook air clones.

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I strongly disagree - portable PC manufacturers have been pretty much from the days of the Compaq sewing machine been trying to go "thinner and lighter" (I've bought several laptops based on the fact that they were thinner and/or lighter). I would say that if there is a rise in the popularity of "ultra portables" it is because the hardware can now provide good enough performance in such a form factor.
 
I would say that if there is a rise in the popularity of "ultra portables" it is because the hardware can now provide good enough performance in such a form factor.
Most importantly, credit the ascent of solid state drives (SSDs). Without those, the Macbook Air wouldn't exist in its current form...which, FWIW, and I'm not Apple's biggest booster, is awesome and actually reasonably priced. :)
 
I strongly disagree - portable PC manufacturers have been pretty much from the days of the Compaq sewing machine been trying to go "thinner and lighter" (I've bought several laptops based on the fact that they were thinner and/or lighter). I would say that if there is a rise in the popularity of "ultra portables" it is because the hardware can now provide good enough performance in such a form factor.

OK - let me try from this angle.

Apple has a very limited selection of hardware. They chose to focus on the Air almost 4 years ago as one of their limited section of laptops. At the they had a custom CPU to meet power/size requirements, and in the second revision added the SSDD option. I think the most comparable utlra-portable wasn't really until the Dell Adamo in 2009. Apple was on the cutting edge of trying to create a workable ultra-portable in terms of size, performance, etc and was willing to reduce the number of ports, build in the battery, etc to achieve those goals way before it was mainstream.

Yes, now that hardware, etc have 'caught up' and does not have to be so carefully 'engineered'- more manufacturers are jumping in the ultra-portable game. I think this is where I would give credit to Jobs being 'visionary'.
 
How dare you think you know what you need better than Jobs??!?!

Did you hear the story about Jobs when he was asked to sign a keyboard? The keyboard was manufactured when he wasn't at Apple, so it had function keys and cursor keys. When it was handed to him he pulled out his car keys and pried them all off. You know, because you are supposed to use the mouse to do everything, so those keys are worthless.

OMG - <manufacturer X> made <widget Y> and it I can't configure <action Z> !! How DARE they ?

Cool story about the keyboard.

Here is a list of keyboard shortcuts for OS X. I certainly can't imagine why that support that nonsense, since you are supposed to use a mouse for everything....
 
I do have a useless crap folder. The thing that pissed me off is that it won't go into there either. It demands to be there. It is on the last page now, of course, but every once in awhile i accidentally slip too far and there it is, a sign of disrespect right in my face.

You can't put it in a folder because the OS sees it as a folder and in iOS you can't put a folder in a folder...unless you cheat. Hold the Newstand icon and the moment it jiggles slide it into another folder. There's tutorials on the web on how to do it

This is just getting ridiculous now. Today I tried to delete a song out of my iphone because it keeps coming up on shuffle. I need to connect it to my computer and use itunes to do that. I know, it's *********** pathetic.

Update your OS. You can delete songs directly from the phone or iPad now.

Did you hear the story about Jobs when he was asked to sign a keyboard? The keyboard was manufactured when he wasn't at Apple, so it had function keys and cursor keys. When it was handed to him he pulled out his car keys and pried them all off. You know, because you are supposed to use the mouse to do everything, so those keys are worthless.

You mean this story that only makes mention of the function keys ( and a story which doesn't make Jobs looks so maniacal)?

Back when I was a student, I had Steve Jobs over to my house for a fireside chat with the GSB High Tech Club. When I asked my childhood hero if he would sign my Apple Extended Keyboard, he looked a little surprised to see Woz’s signature already there, and then he exclaimed, ‘This keyboard represents everything about Apple that I hate. It’s a battleship. Why does it have all these keys? Do you use this F1 key? No.’ And with his car keys he pried it right off. ‘I’m changing the world, one keyboard at a time,’ he concluded in a calmer voice.
 
You mean this story that only makes mention of the function keys ( and a story which doesn't make Jobs looks so maniacal)?
It was told on NPR by the writer of Jobs' biography, and he elaborated on the cursor keys. Jobs told him that in his opinion there was not use for either the cursor keys or function keys due to the mouse. No link, since it was on the radio.

edit: here's source for Issacson's quote:

[Steve Jobs’s] frustration with Apple was evident when he gave a talk to a Stanford Business School club at the home of a student, who asked him to sign a Macintosh keyboard. Jobs agreed to do so if he could remove the keys that had been added to the Mac after he left. He pulled out his car keys and pried off the four arrow cursor keys, which he had once banned, as well as the top row of F1, F2, F3 … function keys. “I’m changing the world one keyboard at a time,” he deadpanned. Then he signed the mutilated keyboard.
That's not maniacal at all :rolleyes:


edit2: another, better source. Deutschmann's book on Jobs. The link will not take you to the right page; search for "keyboard" , select the link on page 43.

It doesn't allow copy/paste, so a super brief excerpt:
...asked [Jobs] to autograph....He despised the long row of so-called function keys (like F1) and the cluster of navigational arrow keys, which were clunky alternatives to the more intuitive process of using a mouse to explore menus and icons.
 
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It was told on NPR by the writer of Jobs' biography, and he elaborated on the cursor keys. Jobs told him that in his opinion there was not use for either the cursor keys or function keys due to the mouse. No link, since it was on the radio.

edit: here's source for Issacson's quote:

That's not maniacal at all :rolleyes:

It really isn't. He wanted to make a point to students. Seems he did and gave one a very good story.
 
It really isn't. He wanted to make a point to students. Seems he did and gave one a very good story.

The point being that if you're one of the people who use a product in a way Jobs has decided that most people shouldn't, you're doing it wrong and need to have your stuff destroyed.
 
The point being that if you're one of the people who use a product in a way Jobs has decided that most people shouldn't, you're doing it wrong and need to have your stuff destroyed.

I think the thing I find most amusing is I would guess the kid was thrilled to have his keyboard signed after he gave permission for jobs to remove the keys. Seems that people in some random internet forum are probably the most upset about it :D
 

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