Moderated Steel structures cannot globally collapse due to gravity alone

Grizzly Bear said:
Let me get this straight; if something happens for the first time, it can't happen because it's never happened before? Remember this even comes in light despite all of the known vulnerabilities in steel material. Please enlighten me as to how this concept works.

How many 110-story skyscrapers have ever been hit by fully load passenger aircraft hard enough to strip off the fire protection and render all methods of fire suppression moot? How many structures have the same construction as these buildings?

Please remind me how this first time in history argument applies to current professional practices. Do you think that such intensive measures would be applied to tall structures if precedence were enough to convict an event as impossible?
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that is insignificant, now you are trying to blame the limited action and limited energy of the thin gauged aluminum bodied jet upon the buildings surface or it's interior, as you saw this week in Amsterdam, passengers jets come apart very easily and destruct themselves very easily as their are designed to do upon crashing.

they absorb all the energy upon impact with the ground or any other object, especially concrete and steel. Not give the energy out board
 
Christopher7 said:
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It was physically impossible for the all the weight of the floors above to suddenly impact [load] the intact floor.
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The sad part is you don't understand much about this. A floor fails with 11 more floor of weight. Even if placed softly on the single floor. There is more to this, and that is possibly why the NIST report is the thousands of pages where as you repeat the same old junk over and over.

The good news, we have new skeptics of reality Bill and Bob and they post dumber junk than you! Your score on the 911Truth dumb ideas is above most of the anti-intelligent tripe Bill and Bob post. This mean you are at the top of the pit of ignorance for 911Truth for ideas and statements made to apologize for terrorists who murdered 3000 people over 7 years ago.

The fact is after impacts of planes with KE of 1300 and 2093 pounds of TNT, the fires un-fought destroyed the WTC Towers. The Chief Structural Engineer agrees with me on this simple assessment you are unable, and unwilling to understand. You are lacking knowledge on 911 issues; you are not able to support your delusion.
 
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bob the analyst said:
why is it that no commerical or high rise building, at any time in the world, ever fallen and collapsed due to fire?
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First time in history logical fallacy noted

Why is it bob, that for the first time in history a chunk of foam no heavier than 1.2 lbs Caused a 178,000 lbs space shuttle to fall out of the sky?


Why is it bob, that a chunk of ice sunk the unsinkable Titanic on its maiden voyage? (frozen water meets steel. steel loses battle)


Why is it bob, that for the first time in History a light breeze destroys a mighty steel suspension bridge?
 
bob the analyst said:
care to explain why the NIST failed to use microscopic techniques, such as an SEC, scanning electron microscope in their analysis? There's still no evidence of martensiting effect, yet they claimed yield and strenght loss and tensile and plasticity and that can not happen with out showing and verifying a martensiting, plus several others, then of course you have to compare it against the original core samples from the original steel heats for a comparison

you see, this is just one example where real world people such as me, totally disseminate the NIST report as ludicrous

and no there still is not an actual fmea chart in the report
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Stop throwing out words you don't understand. Weakening of structural members occurs long before any harness or heat treating effect would take place. This has been shown to you already, Why can't you learn?
 
beachnut said:
Your ability to make an insult is inversely proportional to your abilities and knowledge on 911, fire, steel and more.

At least you have all of 911Truth equal to your lack of evidence.
This is a classic egotistical wrong post?


What do you like about Heiwa's paper? I know you have not read NIST, maybe you like the shorter and dirt dumb 911Truth short papers that have hearsay lies and fantasies like your posts. Which is your favorite paper from 911Truth on gravity collapse?
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who's heiwa? I only state my opinion and that opinion of all reasonably minded and experienced engineers of the world as well as people with common sense, these are the only people that I speak on behalf of
 
DGM said:
Stop throwing out words you don't understand. Weakening of structural members occurs long before any harness or heat treating effect would take place. This has been shown to you already, Why can't you learn?
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But he read them somewhere on the internet, so he is now an expert!
 
A W Smith said:
First time in history logical fallacy noted

Why is it bob, that for the first time in history a chunk of foam no heavier than 1.2 lbs Caused a 178,000 lbs space shuttle to fall out of the sky?


Why is it bob, that a chunk of ice sunk the unsinkable Titanic on its maiden voyage? (frozen water meets steel. steel loses battle)


Why is it bob, that for the first time in History a light breeze destroys a mighty steel suspension bridge?
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naw, the Titanic sank because of issues with the metallurgy of the steel and the riveting on the ship, plus the alleged water tight compartments weren't so watertight, were they?

i'm a big fan of the Titanic and I know a tremendous amount about the ship, in fact, I'll share something, on my mother's side, her mother, my grandmother were immigrating from europe and were tickete and booked aboard the maiden voyage,


the family got delayed at the port of hamburg and the missed the sailing from england

I still have 11 first class tickets, from my grandmother's family, from white star lines, in my safety deposit box at my bank in pristine condition

just will hand them down to my own kids and grandkids
 
bob the analyst said:
who's heiwa? I only state my opinion and that opinion of all reasonably minded and experienced engineers of the world as well as people with common sense, these are the only people that I speak on behalf of
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Your opinions directly conflict with real professional material on the subject. I've provided you direct source material you can refer to, if you still believe otherwise then that's a shame, but generally more a problem for your credibility than it is for anyone else participating in this thread

Christopher7 said:
We are NOT on the same team [or the same page]. I also think brother Bob is a pop sucket and a waste of column space. :rolleyes:
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Given your own ignorance... For me to give you credit for anything says a great deal about the gap between your ignorance and that of the other two... In the event that might serve as any level of compliment ;)
 
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beachnut said:
A floor can only hold 11 floor more than itself. Even if placed softly on the single floor.
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Correct
There is more to this, and that is possibly why the NIST report is the thousands of pages where as you they repeat the same old junk over and over.
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10,000 pages and [FONT=&quot]NIST did NOT explain how the towers collapsed.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]

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A W Smith said:
First time in history logical fallacy noted

Why is it bob, that for the first time in history a chunk of foam no heavier than 1.2 lbs Caused a 178,000 lbs space shuttle to fall out of the sky?


Why is it bob, that a chunk of ice sunk the unsinkable Titanic on its maiden voyage? (frozen water meets steel. steel loses battle)


Why is it bob, that for the first time in History a light breeze destroys a mighty steel suspension bridge?
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now the guy is trying to say that the heat and temperature during re-entry from space through the atmosphere is equal to the wtc fire...this is good...thanks for the laugh


you know, one time I met Jim Lovell, the famed astronaut from apollo 13 fame. so I say to him "Jim, exactly how hot is it coming in during re-entry into the earth;s atmosphere? is it like sticking your arm out the car window during high noon, in July, in the desert, is it really that hot? Did you ever stick your arm out the window of the space capsule to see if it was like high noon in July, in the desert type of hot, hot, hot? Sort of like throwing out a beer can or the wrapper from a stick of gun"?

Jim Lovell just gave me that stare, that same sort of stare that I get from you guys, when you don;t understand the technical, scientific and engineering things that I post
 
bob the analyst said:
I honestly thought that I would see some competition in here, but it's been more like running qualifyng races against the special olympic crowd, <sigh>
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And yet, you keep losing..

But you still congratulate yourself in a masturbatory style to say how great you are, and insult everyone else.

You, are no debater. Nor are you educated enough to discuss the events of that day. Your arguments from incredulity are not facts, or evidence.

Please provide some evidence.
 
saying you are right does not make it so...but he knows that.

Guys he is just egging you, baiting you. He knows no more about engineering or metallurgy that anyone else with access to wikipedia. He has demonstrated nothing, and is merely trying to rile your tempers with his comments and attitude.

The ignore function IS YOUR BEST FRIEND in this case. Let him talk to the wall, like the rest of his truther troglodytes.

TAM:)
 
T.A.M. said:
saying you are right does not make it so...but he knows that.

Guys he is just egging you, baiting you. He knows no more about engineering or metallurgy that anyone else with access to wikipedia. He has demonstrated nothing, and is merely trying to rile your tempers with his comments and attitude.

The ignore function IS YOUR BEST FRIEND in this case. Let him talk to the wall, like the rest of his truther troglodytes.

TAM:)
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But.. But.. But.. But then the terrorists WIN!

:jaw-dropp
 
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