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Steel shipped to China...

When was it found that the damage and fire were sufficient to cause what was seen?

Right around 9/12/01. After that there were several engineering studies that came to this conclusion.
Not sure why you continue to use quotation marks when you say "biggest investigation in history". I'm surprised that the "biggest (criminal) investigation in history" didn't bother to indict bin Laden, but that's a separate topic.
Because the FBI doesn't indict people. He was alrady under indictment and his conection was known but, there was not enough evidence for him personally. You know he was a figure-head of al-Qaeda not the organisation itself.

No, I wasn't aware it exceeded code. If you think the collapse isn't important, then cool, we'll leave it at that.

Why is this building so important as opposed to any of the dozen others that were lost that day. Contrary to what you may have been told, WTC 7 was in real tough shape all day long.

Yeah , it's getting very silly. Why did the engineers (NIST) do physical experiments only to ignore them?

They didn't, you've been lied to.
 
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Not sure why you continue to use quotation marks when you say "biggest investigation in history". I'm surprised that the "biggest (criminal) investigation in history" didn't bother to indict bin Laden, but that's a separate topic.

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No, that would be the classified proof, according to the FBI, which they haven't released because of NatSec concerns. And, since they were doing it by the book, his Most Wanted profile never actually mentioned 9/11, nor was he ever actually indicted. Honestly, the US had more than enough "just cause" to "neutralize" him even before 9/11. ...

I told you about this over a week ago.

And before you say it, if the bad guys could pull off the rest of 9/11, why wouldn't they gin up some sort of falsified proof? The fact that the FBI didn't indict him for 9/11, by the book, is evidence against a conspiracy.
 
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Yeah, I realise NIST don't do criminal investigations. Are you saying there was no need to retain any steel because all the investigators needed were plans and science? Look, I disagree but let's continue with that. Was NIST's computer modelling an accurate representation of the plans or were the parameter's manipulated?
Are you saying no steel was saved? Do you know anything about 911 you have no found from the 911 truth failed movement.

What is wrong with NIST model? Which model? You are taking 911 truth lies and adopt them without thinking - it is easier to let 911 truth do your thinking. You disagree with what? You have not made a valid claim yet, so far you have fantasy.

There's no confusion regarding who investigates what. Do you think it's reasonable to a suggest that chemical reaction could have taken place when aluminium from the plane combined with iron oxide that was present in the building and was ignited by the high temps of the fires?
Are you making this up as you go? How much iron oxide in percent, is present in the WTC?
No one planted thermite in the WTC, and there were no explosives. Your CD fantasy fails, and gets worse.


Don't shoot the messenger, I was just quoting NIST.
How does what NIST said support your fantasy version of 911?

How much concrete turned to dust, and was the E=mgh released enough to do your version of "concrete to powder".?

...while completing amazing aerial maneuvers....

What amazing aerial maneuvers? List the amazing aerial maneuvers, or retract the BS. Slow down your Gish Gallop and support your claims.
 
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Originally Posted by TheRealnz
...while completing amazing aerial maneuvers....

You keep looking in, but never answer questions.

Please list the amazing aerial maneuvers.

Once upon a time, conspiradroid theories at least kinda sorta made sense. But modern ones don't even make sense on their own terms.

It's a common claim that Flights 175, 11, and 77 flew faster than is possible for real airliners, hence they must have been specially constructed aircraft. If conspiradroids claimed that this was so the extra kinetic energy was to ensure that the Twin Towers collapsed, this would at least make sense.


But no truther has ever claimed this; they argue instead that the impacts were mere cover for something else that "really" destroyed the towers. In other words, the extra speed of the craft served no purpose other than to reveal the conspiracy to these perky investigators!
 
Dude, they made a turn! A turn! have you seen how big those jumbo jet planes are? They can't possibly turn! They have to take off on a runway pointing at the city they hope to land in.

Not only that but they hit a huge building! How could that possibly happen? I mean, just because it was something everyone did to the Hancock Center at least once in the first version of Microsoft Flight Simulator....

I miss Meigs Field!
 
Amazing is a relative thing. Driving a car is amazing to some people. :)

I'd just like an English translation (or atleast a bit of context).

Yes, everything I do is amazing, right up to dropping my cell phone into my ice water... flying instruments was amazing, as I "closed my eyes" and did what I was taught even though I had no clue what I was doing - I passed; amazing


The, "Either these people are insane fanatics or they are military men fighting asymmetrically. You can only have one.", is false, the 19 insane fanatics were fighting asymmetrically, as a surprise attack, defeated when their plot was foiled by the first people who figure out 911 and took action.

13 years and 911 truth continues to fool those fringe few who refuse to think for themselves.
 
Ahem, not "designed", merely "found out".
I was wrong. I take this back.
In view of the description of how the "designed to withstand the impact of an airplane" myth saw the light posted recently by Oystein in another thread (thanks, Oystein), I take back my taking back.

The towers were not designed to withstand the impact of an airplane. They were designed to withstand a hurricane of a certain magnitude, and as a result of that resistance, it was found that the force exerted by a plane at 600 mph would not be enough to tip it over.

Robertson even contradicts himself in the NAE article:

The two towers were the first structures outside of the military and nuclear industries designed to resist the impact of a jet airliner, the Boeing 707.
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(p.7)

These charts demonstrate conclusively that we should not and cannot design buildings and structures to resist the impact of these aircraft.​
(p.8)

After reading the cited post by tfk, I'll go with the second quote.
 
In view of the description of how the "designed to withstand the impact of an airplane" myth saw the light posted recently by Oystein in another thread (thanks, Oystein), I take back my taking back.

The towers were not designed to withstand the impact of an airplane. They were designed to withstand a hurricane of a certain magnitude, and as a result of that resistance, it was found that the force exerted by a plane at 600 mph would not be enough to tip it over.

Robertson even contradicts himself in the NAE article:

The two towers were the first structures outside of the military and nuclear industries designed to resist the impact of a jet airliner, the Boeing 707.
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(p.7)

These charts demonstrate conclusively that we should not and cannot design buildings and structures to resist the impact of these aircraft.​
(p.8)

After reading the cited post by tfk, I'll go with the second quote.

Robertson does not contradict himself, he says he considered a 707 in the design, at 180 mph, in the Charts.
Robertson is saying he designed for an impact of an aircraft accident, the mostly like would be lost in the fog slow speed.
Robertson says we can not design for Terrorists flying planes at high speed. That is not contradiction, it is a different point.

Robertson never said 600 mph, at best that is what you said; some Port Authority engineers took the lateral numbers and ran the energy/momentum of a 600 mph 707 and found the towers would not topple, not a good analogy and there is no one to confirm the 600 mph design point. It could be worse, the Port Authority found out Robertson designed for a 707 impact, and they looked up the speed of a 707, found 600 mph in the Boeing 707 data sheet, and published it. Blind BS, or was some physics involved. The White Paper with 600 mph 707 was a bragging marketing tool, not science, more like propaganda, how much was right?

The building can resist low speed impacts, it can't resist high speed impacts; not contradiction, but more like What Is.

It is both http://www.nae.edu/File.aspx?id=7345 .

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"We should not and can not design buildings and structures to resist the impact of these aircraft."
Robertson is talking about the terrorists attacks, not a 707 lost in the fog, but an attack by terrorists planes.

The towers were designed to resist an impact from an airliner, Robertson clearly states it, and presents his chart above for the energy involved.
The two towers were the first structures outside of the military and nuclear industries designed to resist the impact of a jet airliner, the Boeing 707.

Not a contradiction. Robertson says the towers resist impacts from low speed aircraft, and not high speed aircraft. Like your car, can resists an impact at 5 mph into a wall, but not 50 mph. Simple physics. You don't need computers to do the calculations, in fact computers don't do calculations, people do. To say Robertson could not do a calculation of aircraft impacts is BS.

Anyone who says the WTC were designed to resist an aircraft impact, they were right, a low speed aircraft impact, as Robertson did, and explains.
 
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The building can resist low speed impacts, it can't resist high speed impacts; not contradiction, but more like What Is.

Actually they did. I have no doubts the buildings were fatally crippled and likely would need to come down but, they did survive the impacts.

;)
 
Actually they did. I have no doubts the buildings were fatally crippled and likely would need to come down but, they did survive the impacts.

;)

Robertson's design point was to stop the aircraft from doing interior damage, damage would be limited, effectively stopping the aircraft. Limit deaths from the impact.

Robertson's design was to stop the aircraft, the 600 mph impact, similar to 911 causes great damage and would kill many people on a floor.
 
Robertson's design point was to stop the aircraft from doing interior damage, damage would be limited, effectively stopping the aircraft. Limit deaths from the impact.

Robertson's design was to stop the aircraft, the 600 mph impact, similar to 911 causes great damage and would kill many people on a floor.

I would find it hard to believe the aircraft would allow that to happen. If the building resisted to the point of stopping interior entry, the plane would have to also resist the "cheese grater"(aircraft being the cheese) effect. The building would do better but the shrapnel from the plane would make the point moot.

(I know I don't have to tell you that). :)
 
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