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Gentleman of leisure
Please this is a serious thread. This tool is meant to be used for verbal communications only. What you have said is for written communication.
Edit. And for prepared speeches.
Edit. And for prepared speeches.
Given the actual outcome, this analysis is particularly hilarious:
http://www.statementanalysis.com/duke/
On the other hand, cooperating with the police, not requesting an attorney and willingness to take a polygraph and passing it is something guilty people usually do not do.
the CBS news show "60 Minutes" interviewed the three accused lacrosse players... All three players answered Ed Bradley's questions in a truthful manner... While this still stops short of saying "I did not do it" the boys appeared to be credible.
The American Polygraph Association has determined that the polygraph is accurate to between 60 - 70%
Statement Analysis is believed to be as reliable as a polygraph examination.
STATEMENT ANALYSIS focuses on analysing the words in the statement and their inter-relationships, not upon observing "kinesics" or "body language".
it's a "cold" technique. Scoring is based only upon structure and content, not upon gestures, perspiration, eye movements, and other factors that are open to individual interpretation.
But statement analysis is just another form of junk science.
If the theory underlying statement analysis is based on little more than speculation, the empirical evidence for its claims is no better.
As Roger Shuy (1998: 75) has pointed, "the accuracy of detection of deceitful language is... at about the level of chance."
As with the other behavioral methods of lie detection analyzed above, the value of SCAN and statement analysis lies simply in it's utility as an interrogation technique.
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If he believes it's junk science and it's accuracy is about the level of chance then wouldn't flipping a coin also have utility as an interrogation technique?
Obviously it's not "science" and it's not very accurate. I'm in no position to really judge how useful it is as an investigative tool, but that seems to depend totally on the person using it and it appears very susceptible to misuse- ie misleading an investigator into wild goose chases.
Longtabber said it one way - I say it another way: Don't pretend to have the ability to ascertain the effectiveness of something you know relatively nothing about.
MacDonald's Statement: “Let’s see. Monday night my wife went to bed, and I was reading.“
McClish's Analysis: “MacDonald does not introduce his wife by name. If you are with a friend and you meet another friend, it would be considered rude if you do not introduce them to each other. The same thing applies when writing. It is impolite not to introduce a character. This is an indication that something is wrong with the relationship.“
MacDonald's Statement: “And this guy started walking down between the coffee table and the couch“
McClish's Analysis: “And this guy started walking..." The word "walking" is a very casual term for someone who is moving throughout your house attacking you and your family. If a struggle took place, we would expect to see language such as "ran" "moved" "came." The word "started" means the guy did not complete the act. (walking) “
My Opinion: 'Ran' might be a good word if the guy ran. If MacDonald used 'moved' or 'came' then would the analysis have said he should have used 'walk'. And "I started (walking/cooking/thinking/etc) seems like a pretty common phrase to me. I hope everyone that ever says they started doing something hasn't been lying to me. Just this afternoon I started to read a book.
If he believes it's junk science and it's accuracy is about the level of chance then wouldn't flipping a coin also have utility as an interrogation technique?
Obviously it's not "science" and it's not very accurate. I'm in no position to really judge how useful it is as an investigative tool, but that seems to depend totally on the person using it and it appears very susceptible to misuse- ie misleading an investigator into wild goose chases.
This is not my field of expertise at all. However, as someone pointed out, all of us get "gut feelings" about someone lying. Without actual proof of lying, how are these gut feelings any different than any other "feelings" people get about any number of things we consider woo?
To me the most compelling evidence of someone lying is when the story is either self-inconsistent or inconsistent with what we know about the subject being discussed. The more you can get someone to talk, the better the chance of revealing this.
If I know someone, then it's easier to tell when they are lying. The more I know someone, the easier it is. Usually there's a change in how they tell a truthful story versus an untruthful one. This assumes, of course, that the person is not an experienced liar who can do it very smoothly and never be found out.
Beyond that I'm not convinced that investigators aren't assuming they are seeing indicators of lying because they have other more reliable information to indicate the person is lying (consistency, for example). Like I said, my experience is limited, but I cannot tell you how many times I've seen an investigative TV show where the investigator points out the manner in which a person says something as an indicator of untruthfulness, and I disagree. They say, "Would an innocent person say or do this?" A lot of times my answer is, "Yes, I would say or do that. People I know would say or do that."
So, as a skeptic, I have to ask where the evidence is proving these theories? I'm willing to be convinced.
Also, someone pointed out that writing Internet posts doesn't count. Where is the evidence for that? Some posts I write are well considered - I pick and choose my words. Other times, like in my joking response to LongTabberPE, it was competely off the cuff - just like normal conversation. It surprised me that my joke was completely missed by someone stating how reliable statement analysis is.
It seems that the quoted analysis says far more about the person doing the analysis than about the speaker. At one point, he even verges on numerology with the line "3 is a liar's number". This does not inspire confidence. If police are actually using something this subjective, then it seems to be the utmost point of wisdom to never speak to them without a lawyer.
With this method, anything you say can be manipulated to indicate guilt. This has no basis in objective measurement and appears to be little more than a confused attempt at cold-reading.
I don't believe this stuff works or it would be available in the psychology journals. People there have checked out the accuracy of the polygraph and other techniques and they just have too many false negatives, and false positives. And the liars number is actually 2, NO! 5, ,yes, that's it, like I told you before, 8.

This is absolutely false. Everyone knows two is the liar's number.
Officer: "How much have you had to drink tonight?"
Driver: "Two beers."
Saying "3 is a liar's number" is pretty asinine. That observation is wayyy too open to confirmation bias. That statement needs to be backed up with statistical analysis or it is worthless.
At this point, all these are are tools. If you interview three possible suspects and one strongly shows deception with any one of these techniques, it might be a good idea to pay more of the investigative attention to that person.
Just say it three times and it's true.
I would envision taking a bunch of true and a bunch of false statements. Then giving them to people practicing statement analysis techniques and also given them to a control group of some sort. This sort of exercise has been done with respect to false confessions, with somewhat surprising results.