Star Wars Beam Weapon and the WTC Bathtub

This is what happened in the Arizona desert 10,000 years ago when a chunk of iron the size of a railroad car flash vaporized:

25 points for showing a picture of the crater from Starman, -10 points for not acknowledging that it's the crater from Starman, 5 points for making me think about Starman. "I look like Scott so you do not be little bit jumpy."

Total - 20 points
 
Some beam weapon speculation from Look Up at the Loose Change forum:
while it seems ridiculous to believe that the star wars program could have been used on 9/11, the program does exist and has weapons in orbit right now. Many of those weapons are faced towards space, not earth. While the star wars program is something we need to be worried about in the long-term, first we just need to punish the 9/11 evil-does. Then we can focus on de-weaponizing space and disclosure of the UFO subject.

To be sure, I see a clear link between the shadow-government which helped perpetrate 9/11 and the same type of activity that has been happeneing in secret with regards to UFOs and black budget programs, but it does not appear that on 9/11 they used any of the Alien Reproduction Vehicles (ARVs) they probably have to carry out 9/11. It could be part of the plan. It has been suggested by some very well-informed people, that after the war on terror, they will use the ARVs to stage an ET attack, which will finally unite the world in a NWO and give us a new war.

See Werer Von-Bron's (sp?) comments about the military industrial complex and his predictions that there would be a war on terror after the Communist threat was exhausted.
http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=730&view=findpost&p=9023141
 
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I've always been more than a little suspicious of ol' Werer Von-Bron. Never did trust a guy with an Altarian accent...

All in all, the Von-Brons have been more trouble than they are worth.
 
Here are the most powerfull lasers in the world.
Not only are they way too big to put in orbit. But they do not posses any where near the power to cause the destruction at WTC.

http://www.llnl.gov/nif/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nova_laser

But you're forgetting the secret alien tech that's in Area 51.

So secret that the USG won't use it, although they'd like to (being eevil), in Iraq, Afghansitan, Iran, North Korea, Cuba or even France. In fact the only know use of this technology is when the vapourised the Twin Towers.
 
Looks like just about everyone except TruthSeeker1234 understood my point... as usual...

I can solve your orbit problems and at least some of your power problems. The giant fricking laser was placed at a Lagrange Point. This puts the laser far enough away to have good overhead aim and means that the machine would use almost no energy station-keeping.

True, we don't hve a launch vehicle capable of getting the thing to L1 but the Russians might.
Yeah, we use the Lagrange points often for current and future orbiting observatories. Makes it easier to keep the hot Sun blocked from sensitive detectors. Hubble is lower only because it was designed for Shuttle to service it, mandating a far lower orbit.

For targeting deep sky objects L2 is good, but it suffers if you're targeting the ground. As has already been pointed out, targeting the WTC from LEO is already sub-minute of arc, and taking atmosphere into consideration, the beam is going to be diffraction-limited as it is. More distance -- in this case, about 15,000 times as much distance -- will diffuse the beam to uselessness.

For the "single WKBWD-sat" option, I had in mind a Molniya orbit, an eccentric orbit allowing the killsat to "loiter" over NYC for a half-hour or so. This is, of course, academic, as the analysis clearly indicates two individual disposable spacecraft are the preferred solution.

You can make a weapon just as deadly at a much lower cost and weight. A simple kinetic energy weapon from orbit could be devastating. Imaging a 5 ton aerodynamic ceramic slug, with a sensor package and guidance fins, dropped (and thus accelerating) from a high orbit. A propulsion system to slow it down is all you need for it to fall.

GEO is around 42,000km. We'll assume a 5,000kg slug. Given our distance, we can calculate how long it would take for it to hit the ground (assuming no initial "push" downward and disregarding air resistence...which would only affect the very last 100km or so). The equation is t = SQRT(2*h/g), where h is the height and g is gravitic acceleration. With g=9.8m/s2 and h=42,000,000m, we can come up with about 20,200s (I rounded down).

Now, we can figure how fast it'd be going when it hits. Velocity = g*t, so we get 197,960 m/s. A pretty good clip.

We know that KE=1/2 mv2, so we can figure the energy here. We come up with 97,970,404,000,000 J...about 900 times the energy Mackey was working with for the laser beam.

Minor correction -- you can't assume constant gravity once distance becomes comparable to the radius of the Earth. You have to integrate Newton's Gravitational Equation. Or you can just look up the delta V required to reach a certain orbit. In this case, the delta V is about 13.5 km / s.

Also your altitude for geosynchronous orbit seems to be radius from Earth's center, not above mean sea level. The altitude above MSL is roughly 35,700 km.

The correct impact figure for a 5 ton slug is about 4.6 x 1011 Joules, or about 40 times that of the beam weapon. This figure is comparable to the collapse of the entire tower. So, your point is nonetheless entirely correct. Beams just aren't the way to go unless you need them for some reason, like instant time-on-target.

And yes, I've heard of Project Thor. ;) My own shop recently did something quite similar, called Deep Impact.

Lastly, user Mr. Skinny has given me more information on cutting-edge beam weapons, leading me to the HELLADS programme. 150 kW sustained is pretty nice, though still about four orders of magnitude lower than the WWKBD needs. Also liquid cooling will work oddly in space. No gravity means no convection, so heat exchange is difficult. They're also reaching for 5 kg / kW, so the WWKBD laser would weigh 3,750 tons, assuming the technology scaled...

There are larger lasers in ground installations, of course, but they are monstrous. Also generally too complex and too labor-intensive for flight. One could even consider SLAC as a beam weapon of roughly 10 GW total power, but it would not be suitable for our application, and besides, it's miles long.
 
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But you're forgetting the secret alien tech that's in Area 51.

So secret that the USG won't use it, although they'd like to (being eevil), in Iraq, Afghansitan, Iran, North Korea, Cuba or even France. In fact the only know use of this technology is when the vapourised the Twin Towers.

You know, this is another great point.

It's so important to go to war that the gubmint/cabal/illuminati/masons/mimes will take a huge risk of exposure with an overly-complicated plan almost garaunteed to fall apart, and kill 3000 of their own citizens...but it isn't important enough to win?

This is a correllary to the "they can pull off the largest hoax in history but can't plant a couple nukes?" question.
 
Here are the most powerfull lasers in the world.
Not only are they way too big to put in orbit. But they do not posses any where near the power to cause the destruction at WTC.

http://www.llnl.gov/nif/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nova_laser

Yeah, but that's just what Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory wants you to believe.

These are the guys who want you to believe they've discovered a "Superheavy element 118" when all true physicists know that elements are atoms, and atoms are very small, and hence lightweight, so how can one be "Superheavy" (if that's even a real word!)?

Shill!
 
But you're forgetting the secret alien tech that's in Area 51.

So secret that the USG won't use it, although they'd like to (being eevil), in Iraq, Afghansitan, Iran, North Korea, Cuba or even France. In fact the only know use of this technology is when the vapourised the Twin Towers.

I see. The Star Wars Beam Weapon is so top secret that we can only use it on ourselves lest the enemy know we have it.

Wow, That is. like, stupid unto infathomable heights. Or depths.


It's amazing that these guys have enough brain power to get up in the morning.
 
I see. The Star Wars Beam Weapon is so top secret that we can only use it on ourselves lest the enemy know we have it.

Wow, That is. like, stupid unto infathomable heights. Or depths.


It's amazing that these guys have enough brain power to get up in the morning.

Actually, I doubt if Reynolds and Wood have thought of any rationalisation at all.

They'd probably say that it's for an enquiry to find out what kind of beam weapon was used, how it works and why it hasn't been used elsewhere.
 
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Actually, I doubt if Reynolds and Wood have thought of any rationalisation at all.

They'd probably say that it's for an enquiry to find out what kind of beam weapon was used, how it works and why it hasn't been used elsewhere.
Yea, all these idiots look at picture and suddenly they become expert analyists.

A picture is worth a thousand words, yea! one thousand wrong words!
 
You know, this is another great point.

It's so important to go to war that the gubmint/cabal/illuminati/masons/mimes will take a huge risk of exposure with an overly-complicated plan almost garaunteed to fall apart, and kill 3000 of their own citizens...but it isn't important enough to win?

This is a correllary to the "they can pull off the largest hoax in history but can't plant a couple nukes?" question.

No kidding. Bush et.al. were smart enough to pull off the hoax of the century but forgot to plant WMDs in Iraq.
 
ok, youve debunked an orbital platform, now debunk tr-3b (wow, i feel dumber just having said that)

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Yes, going ape with good reason. The Headline used to say "Steel Members partly evaporated". Now is says "Deisel fuel is the culprit." How can deisel fuel evaporate steel. It can't.

You guys can take your wind vortexes and insert them where the sun don't shine. I observe steel disintegrating. Repeatedly.

Have you noticed that Christophera has posted the same picture, and alleged it shows one of the pieces of his concrete core hiting WTC3?

When you understand why you think his analysis is flawed, you might understand why we think your analysis is flawed.
 
ok, youve debunked an orbital platform, now debunk tr-3b (wow, i feel dumber just having said that)

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I believe you'll find that Godzilla destroyed that vessel in 1984 (1985 on our side of the Pacific).

After severely damaging the Super-X with his atomic ray, Godzilla finishes it off by crushing it under a large building, which he topples over.

Oh, the irony!!
 
ok, youve debunked an orbital platform, now debunk tr-3b
Wow, I had never heard of that.

It makes me want to set up an account at the LC Forum and post my "theory" that there were no planes, only TR-3Bs that crashed on 9/11.

I'm sure that if these things spin fast enough to distort gravity, they could make them bend light to look like 767s.
 
In the Bob and Bri video, many smaller objects appear like little rockets pushing out the grey dust like engine exhaust behind them. They arc upwards and out of the main cloud of the WTC1 destruction.

This disintegration behavior is all over both of these twin tower events. Barnett reported it. Then they cleansed it out of the NY Times. Clear to see why. There is no place in the official theory for this evaporating, disintegrating steel.
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