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St. Malachy's prophecies, anyone?

-The prophecy was apparently made on the 12th century (Between 1094 and 1148, the lifetime of Malachy, although I don't believe that he knew how to write when he was 1 year old).
-Now, the prophecies were made public around 1590 (give or take a few years), where this guy made a biography of St. Malachy, and said he "found the prophecies locked in the Roman Archives".

It is these two points I make whenever a Catholic gets on this train of thought, which is enough to make any rational person say 'Bullocks' and drop it. But religious people are not rational. If they were there would not be any rational people.
 
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You've got your signals crossed a little there. Correct prophecy, that which is truly a communication from God to man, is also evidence of prophecy.

"Correct prophesy" simply means a prophesy that comes true, regardless of its claimed or supposed source. If I make a prophesy that says, "The sun will rise in the west in the morning", that will turn out to be true. But it doesn't mean that it came to me as a message from God. it may be that I'm simply familiar with the solar system, or that I'm simply a lucky guesser.
 
You've got your signals crossed a little there. Correct prophecy, that which is truly a communication from God to man, is also evidence of prophecy.
There's plenty of evidence for prophecies all around the world, they're made all the time. What you want isn't evidence of the prophecies themselves but that they actually became true. Provide evidence for those and then we can talk about where they came from.
 
On Malachy, see Wiki.
Saint Malachy (Middle Irish: Máel Máedóc Ua Morgair, Modern Irish: Maelmhaedhoc Ó Morgair) (1094 – 2 November 1148) was the Archbishop of Armagh, to whom were attributed several miracles and a vision of the identity of the last 112 Popes. ... He was the first Irish saint to be canonised by a pope.
Famously, he cursed the Bruce family, which later provided Scotland with a king; this put the Bruces under a cloud for over a century. See http://www.uktourist.tv/?p=79
In about 1200, back at their Scottish base, however, the waters of the River Annan washed away part of Annan Castle ... (This) is normally associated with the curse laid on it by the great Irish reformer and saint, St Malachy, who stayed at Annan in about 1140 with Robert Bruce of Annandale. This curse was laid after, at St Malachy’s request, Robert promised to pardon a thief but then hanged him instead. The curse of St Malachy was taken seriously by generations of the Bruces. Indeed, in 1272, Robert Bruce, the future King’s grandfather, on his return from the crusades, made a special visit to the Cistercian abbey at Clairvaux where St Malachy was buried. He prayed at his tomb and gave a gift of land in Annandale to pay for lights to burn forever at St Malachy’s shrine.
Truly weird stuff happened in the Middle Ages!
 
Hey guys ! I know how to stop the world end right in its track ! Kill pope number 111 , and force a speedy election of pope 112, then kill it immediately and force a speedy election of pope number 113. Et voila ! End of the world thwarted , JC and the beast crying in eternity that earth and the universe is barred to them.
 
Greetings in the Resurrected Christ!

Umm, say what?? What in the world do you mean when you say 'I am Peter The Roman', etc??
Either I'm missing something (not impossible by any means), or someone is a bit (fill in the blanks).
The St. Malachy list of names prophecy, also called "Vaticinia de Summis Pontificibus", contains direct references to 113 saints, including Christ. I am the referenced "Peter the Roman" as written in the list - plain and simple, etc.
 
"Correct prophesy" simply means a prophesy that comes true, regardless of its claimed or supposed source. If I make a prophesy that says, "The sun will rise in the west in the morning", that will turn out to be true. But it doesn't mean that it came to me as a message from God. it may be that I'm simply familiar with the solar system, or that I'm simply a lucky guesser.
You currently have my nomination for 100% flakeboard here.
 
The St. Malachy list of names prophecy, also called "Vaticinia de Summis Pontificibus", contains direct references to 113 saints, including Christ. I am the referenced "Peter the Roman" as written in the list - plain and simple, etc.

I wonder if I could ask you to contribute to the "Could the very high rate of mental illness in Europe be related to religion decline?"? That is, if you would be willing to support me in my argument that decline in religious belief is in fact not the cause of a higher incidence of mental illness.
 
There's plenty of evidence for prophecies all around the world, they're made all the time. What you want isn't evidence of the prophecies themselves but that they actually became true. Provide evidence for those and then we can talk about where they came from.
It is so that prophecy is given more often, even more than for which God is given credit - hence, this is why there have been so many acts of Divine vengeance lately. When prophecy as the gift it is becomes something disdained - WATCH IT! At that point in time, it has nothing to do with whether there is evidence nor fulfillment.

The seeming expectancy linked with prophecy is not always necessary. The preaching of the Gospel is prophecy, so is teaching, knowledge, admonition, and all that is edifying, that is, it is good.
 
Famously, he cursed the Bruce family,
The story about the pardoned then hanged thief reminds me of my writing to George W. Bush to pardon Timothy McVeigh, only then not only to have my plea denied, but for the curse of 9/11 to come upon America.

I don't know the Bruce story as well as my own. All I was asking is that George W. Bush and the rest of my fellow Americans not kill someone even if he had killed. The response has been of epic proportion, with seeming scandal to match.
 
Greetings in the Resurrected Christ!

I wonder if I could ask you to contribute to the "Could the very high rate of mental illness in Europe be related to religion decline?"? That is, if you would be willing to support me in my argument that decline in religious belief is in fact not the cause of a higher incidence of mental illness.
I saw the topic earlier but didn't reply, I pulled up an excellent response from the original post's link, I'll repost it here, as well :

Mental illnesses aren't just bouts of the blues, or stomach flutters before an exam. They're not worrying about whether your boss liked your proposal or a bit of stage fright. Mental illness is not a personality trait, a flaw, or a quirk. They consume your every waking moment. Every breath, every step, every thought is affected. It's no joking matter. This isn't about people who may be a little off beat or a little different or deviate from "the norm." This is about people who can't get to work on time because they retrace their route seven times to make sure they didn't hit someone by accident and not notice/hear it. This is about people who are so ill they cannot get out of bed to play with their children no matter how badly they want to. It's about people who live every moment of their lives trapped in a feeling of deepest despair or utmost terror. These are not people who are weak, ungrateful, unproductive or any less important than any of you snobbish commenters. Mental illnesses are also not always lifetime sentences--some develop mid life, some develop early and go away. By some estimates, as many as 1 in 2 Americans will, at some point, experience symptoms severe enough to be classified as a mental disorder or illness. Just like with any disease, the fact that it may come or go is not an indicator of severity. Even cancer goes into remission, but it's always there.

So for those of us who struggle with these diseases, please don't be so crude. We're exactly like you. We're your coworkers who joke with you in the break room, we're the parents of your kid's friends who drink coffee with you, and we're your relatives--except that we're terrified to talk about this to anyone BECAUSE of people like you. We take our medicine, we go to work, we come home to our families. We're diabetics of the brain.

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Perhaps, the problem in your appealing to me for support against an illness/religion ratio is due to my tenet that there is only one religion, as there is only one faith, and one God. (and consequently only one illness)

Perfect love casts out fear, yet allows us to have at least a little of good fear first. I see the ratio as hinging upon this balance of good fear and all other fear.

The promises made by Christ are no less fulfilling.
 
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The problem with your solution is that #113 is beyond our reach of election, being the first fruits of the Resurrection.

The problem with your answer is that 1) was doing a joke and 2) I am an an "asupernaturalist" (I don't believe in anything whatsoever supernatural like resurrection) so using a resurrection argument with me is quite funny.
 
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Edward Palamar

Perhaps, the problem in your appealing to me for support against an illness/religion ratio is due to my tenet that there is only one religion, as there is only one faith, and one God. (and consequently only one illness)
And only one Peter the Roman?
 
The story about the pardoned then hanged thief reminds me of my writing to George W. Bush to pardon Timothy McVeigh, only then not only to have my plea denied, but for the curse of 9/11 to come upon America.

So 9/11 was your fault, then?
 
Palamar, I'm trying to take you seriously here but, damn it, you're aren't making it easy for me to do:
It is so that prophecy is given more often, even more than for which God is given credit
I can't find fault with this one sentence here. There are thousand of 'psychics' making thousand of 'predictions' every day, odds are that at least one of those 'predictions' will be right or at least close. The only issue I have so far is that the sentence structure makes it seem as if your post got ran over by a gibberish generator.

Edward Palamar said:
hence, this is why there have been so many acts of Divine vengeance lately. When prophecy as the gift it is becomes something disdained - WATCH IT!
First, provide a link to an event you believe is an act of 'Divine Vengeance' and than provide the evidence that points to it being 'Divine Vengeance'. Than be prepared for pretty much everyone here pick it apart in order to show you why 'Divine Vengeance' has nothing to do with it.

Edward Palamar said:
At that point in time, it has nothing to do with whether there is evidence nor fulfillment.
Considering that that's sorta the point of the entire thread, this statement is rendered invalid.

The rest of your post was just rhetorical nonsense and more gibberish.
 
Greetings in the Resurrected Christ - Peter the Roman!

First, provide a link to an event you believe is an act of 'Divine Vengeance'
Why should I? Among those who have not been resurrected, what proclivity do you claim to which I should hold you as honorable?
 
Folks

Edward Palamar is not a normal person like you and me; he's the prophesied Peter the Roman, and seemingly he's also been resurrected. So cut him some slack!
 
Why should I? Among those who have not been resurrected, what proclivity do you claim to which I should hold you as honorable?

Why shouldn't you?

Do you know that the person you are talking to is not honourable?

Has that person insulted you, or have they just asked for information?
 

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