[Split]Bush at the School - Split from: New Griffin book out on March 14, 2008.

[CHF]

I'll play along.

Convenient photo op. Bush wasn't rushed out of the classroom because he didn't want to scare the kids, but a half hour later, the kids are lined up behind him to tell the nation that we're under attack.

What was the point of having the kids behind him?

Bush could have looked "in charge" and still have had some kids behind him in a photo later on.

It's not like this was a case of choosing between a) kids in a photo, and b) Bush looking competent during a national emergency.

And why would the government choose the former anyway?

Everyone remembers Bush looking like a dolt on 9/11. No one cares whether he had kids behind him during a speech.

 

[1337m4n]

Bush's stupor, like the "molten steel for weeks" and "concrete pulverized to dust" arguments, is another fine example of Truthers taking any strange anomalies they can find as "evidence" without even thinking about whether they fit any coherent alternative theory of 9/11.

Truthers say "Why did Bush go into a stupor?"
Truthers say "Why was there molten steel?"
Truthers say "Why was there pulverized concrete?"
I respond with, "Yes, good question. Why indeed? Why don't you tell us, Truthers?"

 

[RedIbis]

No one cares whether he had kids behind him during a speech.

I do. The Pentagon isn't hit yet, planes still unaccounted for, and he's in a public elementary school, no more than a few miles from an airport.

If one of those kids were mine, I'd be mad as hell they didn't evacuate when Card tells Bush of the second attack.

 

[CHF]

Truthers say "Why did Bush go into a stupor?"
Truthers say "Why was there molten steel?"
Truthers say "Why was there pulverized concrete?"
I respond with, "Yes, good question. Why indeed? Why don't you tell us, Truthers?"

Oh they can tell you, but their answers just make things more difficult for them.

Why was there molten steel? "Thermite!" - In other words, enough thermite to cause, and sustain, molten steel not for minutes, or hours, or days....but WEEKS! No twoofer can explain how much thermite this would take or why this would even be necessary.

Why was there pulverized concrete? "Cuz the concrete was blasted into dust by bombs!" - This of course means that there were enough bombs in the WTC to do this...on every floor...next to, or within, all concrete....and the bombs weren't loud enough to be recorded.

It's not hard to see why twoofers like DR Griffin prefer to JAQ off rather than pose actual theories.

 

[kookbreaker]

I do. The Pentagon isn't hit yet, planes still unaccounted for, and he's in a public elementary school, no more than a few miles from an airport.

An elementary school building is a lot harder to hit than 3 of the world's largest office buildings. You'd actually be hard pressed to what building is a school from an airplane. Furthermore, AQ would have had to adjust their plans constantly to make an attempt on the president as he moved around, wheras the buildings would pretty much be there every day.

Again, the immediate area was secure. Why do you feel the need for the Secret Service to panic?

 

[nicepants]

I do. The Pentagon isn't hit yet, planes still unaccounted for, and he's in a public elementary school, no more than a few miles from an airport.

If one of those kids were mine, I'd be mad as hell they didn't evacuate when Card tells Bush of the second attack.

Evacuate the school? And what? Every other school in the US near an airport? No one (save the hijackers) knew on 911 what all was going to be hit, and when the president is in town, security is TIIIIIIGHT! That school was probably the safest place in the US at the time of the attack.

 

[Sizzler]

There are two possibilities. Firstly, Bush knew that about the conspiracy in advance. When he was told about it, he knew exactly what was going to happen, and he deliberately stayed reading because he wanted to give an impression of courage under fire.

Or Bush was totally shocked, like everyone else, and not having a plan ready made for when hijacked aircraft were flown into the WTC, he froze for a couple of minutes while he collected his thoughts.

It doesn't seem likely that Bush was in particular danger where he was. He'd have been in more danger in the White House. It wouldn't have been very easy to hit a moving president with a jet.

a couple of minutes means 2. do you know how long he stayed there? do you know what he continued to do?

if anyone here thinks his actions aren't strange, please watch a video of it.

the terrorists could have easily known where he was. he should have been in a moving vehicle, or moved away from that classroom. at the very least, he shouldn't have finished the classroom reading lesson.

it is creepy, straight up hands down.

it doesn't prove anyting, so don't worry guys, no need to debunk anything.

 

[MarkyX]

The Secret service is supposed to "act on the side of caution."

It's supposed to be standard operating procedure during a threat situation for the Secret Service to move the president and key members of his cabinet to safety.

In the case of the president that day, his location was well publicized and the Secret Service behaved very suspiciously in not insisting that he leave immediately.

MM

So you worked at the Secret Service and understand their protocols?

 

[T.A.M.]

I do. The Pentagon isn't hit yet, planes still unaccounted for, and he's in a public elementary school, no more than a few miles from an airport.

If one of those kids were mine, I'd be mad as hell they didn't evacuate when Card tells Bush of the second attack.

What Bush did that morning, and did not do is interesting, I will grant you. I do not think there was anything malicious or malignant about his actions.

Here is my take.

1. I would imagine, like all areas/locales he visits, the school was "swept" by SS and cleared as safe.
2. Keeping him there, while the details of what was going on, etc... were being obtained and processed, was probably an acceptable thing to do.
3. If I recall, at some point (I am not sure if it was before or after the school that SS became aware of it) Air Force One was considered a potential target, so this may have factored in the delay to getting him out.

As for why Bush Stayed sitting there for so long, not sure, but I personally think it was part "I don't want to look panicked etc..." combined with "holy **** now what am I gonna do".

TAM

 

[Sizzler]

So your answer is to move him from a secure location to an unsecure route to a location that may or may not be secure?

how is the school secure? it is a sitting duck. america was under attack. he should have been the commander in chief. instead he was watching kids read. and then he continued to ask them questions.

please you tube the video. we can speak freely about this issue.

 

[Pardalis]

Maybe it's just me, but an elementary school is not really a dangerous place.

 

[GStan]

it was known he was at the school.

it would have been a big event.

ss should have taken him out straight away either to a safer place or atleast to a place where he could be commander in chief.

There is no evidence to suggest that the SS chain of command did not assess that the school was the safest place for the President to conduct his CIC duties for that 30 minutes.

Is there evidence that they just sat and waited without making a safety assessment?
Is there evidence that they determined that somewhere else would have been safer, but that assessment was ignored?

 

[T.A.M.]

If there were no planes in the area with transponders off, or acting strangely (not answering ATC calls etc...) then fear from the skies to hit that tiny school (not much of a land mark to hit from the sky in a jet airliner) were minimal, particularly if Air Force One was a potential target, and if the site was swept and cleared by SS, which I would assume it was...I see nothing wrong with them keeping him there as they did, for the duration they did, at the time.

TAM

 

[Sizzler]

There is no evidence to suggest that the SS chain of command did not assess that the school was the safest place for the President to conduct his CIC duties for that 30 minutes.

Is there evidence that they just sat and waited without making a safety assessment?
Is there evidence that they determined that somewhere else would have been safer, but that assessment was ignored?

I'm just saying it is weird. He knew america was under attack, it was now obvious. the commander in chief of the united states of america decides to question children about their class.

Are you kidding me?

Again, this proves nothing. i get that. but it is extremely odd.

 

[kookbreaker]

a couple of minutes means 2. do you know how long he stayed there? do you know what he continued to do?

if anyone here thinks his actions aren't strange, please watch a video of it.

the terrorists could have easily known where he was. he should have been in a moving vehicle, or moved away from that classroom. at the very least, he shouldn't have finished the classroom reading lesson.

it is creepy, straight up hands down.

it doesn't prove anyting, so don't worry guys, no need to debunk anything.

So, again, your solution is for him to be moved from a secured location onto roads that would not have been secured.

Ambushers love armchair tacticians like you.

 

[Sizzler]

If there were no planes in the area with transponders off, or acting strangely (not answering ATC calls etc...) then fear from the skies to hit that tiny school (not much of a land mark to hit from the sky in a jet airliner) were minimal, particularly if Air Force One was a potential target, and if the site was swept and cleared by SS, which I would assume it was...I see nothing wrong with them keeping him there as they did, for the duration they did, at the time.

TAM

Fine.

But why continue the class? It makes no sense.

 

[DavidJames]

how is the school secure? it is a sitting duck. america was under attack. he should have been the commander in chief. instead he was watching kids read. and then he continued to ask them questions.

This is direct from the 9/11 CTists handbook, well done.

Here is a clue. Just because things didn't happen the way you think they should, doesn't mean the way they happened is wrong and indicative of something. You found out in your first thread how wrong you were about the physics of the collapse. Unfortunately, it appears you didn't learn from that experience.

A clear sign of someone possessed by CT "woo" is when they, despite having little or no education or not having any direct experience, think they know better then those with the education and experience.

I refer to this as the A&I of CT. Arrogance and Ignorance. It's one thing to be ignorant of something (by ignorant, I mean lacking knowledge) We are all ignorant of some things. But when we arrogantly feel we know more then those that have the education and experience and can support their claims with evidence, we've crossed the line from critical thinking into the land of make believe.

 

[Sizzler]

So, again, your solution is for him to be moved from a secured location onto roads that would not have been secured.

Ambushers love armchair tacticians like you.

Why was he not removed and brought into a makeshift control room (in the school) to call the shots?

Is the president not the commander in chief? Was America not being attacked, more than once?

People in denial are painfully obvious.

 

[T.A.M.]

Fine.

But why continue the class? It makes no sense.

Like I said, I think he was "stunned" by the news, and also did not want to look panicked by storming out of the room, and did not want to frighten the kids.

Do we know, if after he exited, the teachers had a sit down with the children to explain to them what had happened, prior to them being placed in the background for his speech.

I agree, if was not his most shining moment, but I do not see any evidence, at all, of maliciousness, or a cover up, or anything really inappropriate.

TAM

 

[CHF]

the terrorists could have easily known where he was. he should have been in a moving vehicle, or moved away from that classroom. at the very least, he shouldn't have finished the classroom reading lesson.

it is creepy, straight up hands down.

it doesn't prove anyting, so don't worry guys, no need to debunk anything.

Bush acted like a clueless dolt on 9/11, which jives pretty nicely with everything we've seen from him since.

I fail to see what's so creepy about that.