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Space Tourism

Ian

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I don't think that the public will like the idea of only the very wealthey going into space. I don't like the Idea becuase I like to be included instead of being left out. The Idea of space tourism makes me angry because they are leaving everybody else out of it. This is probably why the public won't have in interest in space exploration and eventually there will be a huge divide between those who can go into space and those who can't. There are going to be a lot of people who don't like the idea of only the very rich people going into space. Interest in this will stop unless people start charging less for access to space and I don't think that the public will ever be able to go into space and that will probably make a lot of people angry. So I think that we should stop doing space tourism. What about Democracy?!?
 
I guess you are against road travel too, because in the beginning only the very rich could afford cars. In fact this is still true to some degree. People on welfare in a European country can't afford a car and they belong to the richest 10% of the world's population!

Maybe you are against vacation in a hotel in Hawaii too, or against cruises.
So I think that we should stop doing space tourism.
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It hasn't even really started yet.
 
So I guess you are for giving everything to the "FEW". In Atlantic city this plan was the same sort of thing because they thought that people would get very wealthy gambling and it turned out that all of that money eventually goes to the rich and people get hooked on gambling there and the very rich are getting everything and the people who are gambling get almost nothing and wind up losing their money to slot machines and other games. How would you feel if you were poor and you wanted something when you were growing up, but your family couldn't afford it because it was for the very wealthy? I am not saying that I am poor though. It's just a hypothetical question.
 
Are just a troll?

Ian said:
So I guess you are for giving everything to the "FEW".
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yup.


In Atlantic city this plan was the same sort of thing because they thought that people would get very wealthy gambling
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Who did? It would have to be some really dumb people.


and it turned out that all of that money eventually goes to the rich
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Really? You mean the people that worked hard and invested in a casino made money? Shame on them.


and people get hooked on gambling there and the very rich are getting everything and the people who are gambling get almost nothing and wind up losing their money to slot machines and other games.
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Ya, that happens to you if you get addicted to anything.


How would you feel if you were poor and you wanted something when you were growing up, but your family couldn't afford it because it was for the very wealthy?
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Well..considering that nobody, no matter how rich, can't have everything they want. I'm confused, do you think that people are wealthy by accident?

I would work hard, and earn the things that I want (if material possessions are your thing)
 
I would work hard, and earn the things that I want (if material possessions are your thing)

Have you ever read the Charles Dickens books or seen movies that were made from his books?

I am for helping other people who are poor get enough to eat and I am for helping other people get the resources that they need if they are really desperate. I am not into pursueing a lot of wealth. Are you into business? Do you work for a huge corporation? That would be one possible reason that you are for giving things to the very rich. I could be wrong? But do you work for a corporation?
 
Ian said:
So I guess you are for giving everything to the "FEW".
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No, I am in favour of allowing people to sell anything they want to anyone who is willing to pay the price for it, as long that means that poor people aren't deprived of any necessities.

Taking a cruise in the Caribean, flying with a jet to some vacation paradise or taking a rocket ship to fly a few times around the Earth are all extremely decadent luxuries so I don't the need to provide them at reasonable prices to the poor. If there are people rich enough that they can afford such things, I don't see a problem with people trying to sell it to them.
In Atlantic city this plan was the same sort of thing because they thought that people would get very wealthy gambling and it turned out that all of that money eventually goes to the rich and people get hooked on gambling there and the very rich are getting everything and the people who are gambling get almost nothing and wind up losing their money to slot machines and other games.
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Now you are talking about something completely different. In this example it is poor gambling addicts who are exploited by rich casino owners. Rich people are taking something away from poor. In the case of space tourism there are rich people getting something (after they paid substantial money for it!) that poor people don't get, but the poor people are not losing anything either.
How would you feel if you were poor and you wanted something when you were growing up, but your family couldn't afford it because it was for the very wealthy?
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It would probably be a bit of a disappointment, but if the poor people are not deprived of any necessities it would not a problem.

Here you are using your computer to post on the internet, while millions of people are too poor to do the same. Does that mean you should not be allowed to either?
 
Ian said:

Have you ever read the Charles Dickens books or seen movies that were made from his books?
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Yup, and we've come a long way since then. At this point in history, we have enough food to feed the world. Only problem is, some dictators/leaders want to decide which groups of people don't get food.


I am for helping other people who are poor get enough to eat and I am for helping other people get the resources that they need if they are really desperate.
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How about also analyzing why they don't have food in the first place and attempting to fix that? Also, how does banning space tourism help that cause?


I am not into pursueing a lot of wealth. Are you into business? Do you work for a huge corporation?
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Currently, I work for a small corporation, that contracts for a big corporation, that contracts for a bigger corporation, that contracts for the department of defense. In the past, I've worked for small, start up companies. I've always been proud of the work I produce.


That would be one possible reason that you are for giving things to the very rich.
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How can I "give" things to the rich, how can anyone "give" anything to the rich. No one is giving anything away for free, and the rich have no power to force anyone to do anything they do not want to do. If you have a good or service you wish to trade, then you can do so.


I could be wrong? But do you work for a corporation?
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I'm evil I suppose. But I held the same opinions when I worked with a small startup. Why? Because whether I work for a startup, a large corporation, or sell my own goods or services, its my choice. I get to choose.

BTW, I also have a mortgage, what a horrible slave I am. But, there is always a silver lining, I don't like coffee, so I don't go to starbucks (did you know that they steal babies from third world countries to train as slaves?)
 
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RussDill said:
...I don't like coffee, so I don't go to starbucks (did you know that they steal babies from third world countries to train as slaves?)
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I have to take exception to this. You have absolutely no evidence of any exploitation by Starbucks. This is baseless rumor, and shows a distinct lack of critical thinking skills.

Besides, everyone knows that Starbucks is really a front for the CIA (I mean, really, that's why they're everywhere).

:D
 
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Huntsman said:
I have to take exception to this. You have absolutely no evidence of any exploitation by Starbucks. This is baseless rumor, and shows a distinct lack of critical thinking skills.

Besides, everyone knows that Starbucks is really a front for the CIA (I mean, really, that's why they're everywhere).

:D
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Maybe I was thinking of walmart...or that mostasumo whatever chemical company that everyone loves to hate.
 
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RussDill said:
Maybe I was thinking of walmart...or that mostasumo whatever chemical company that everyone loves to hate.
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Monsanto, the biotech?
 
Who are the dictators/leaders who get to decide who gets food and who doesn't? Is the United Nations doing something to solve this problem? What exactly is going on and where is this taking place?
 
Ian said:
So I guess you are for giving everything to the "FEW". In Atlantic city this plan was the same sort of thing because they thought that people would get very wealthy gambling and it turned out that all of that money eventually goes to the rich and people get hooked on gambling there and the very rich are getting everything and the people who are gambling get almost nothing and wind up losing their money to slot machines and other games. How would you feel if you were poor and you wanted something when you were growing up, but your family couldn't afford it because it was for the very wealthy? I am not saying that I am poor though. It's just a hypothetical question.
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Oh it sucked and not just for my sister and I, but for my mom who wanted to be able to give us what we wanted. Instead, we got practicality and the ethic to work for what we want. Occasionally, sometimes Mom would get enough from the fuel assistance program (might be Joe Kennedy Jr.'s, I'm not sure.) to be able to give us what we wanted for X-mas. I'm sure you can understand the sting of picking out the cool microscopes and Barbies in the Sears' Wish Book and not getting them, but when you're working class poor it stings just a little bit more.

Dickens, Dickens, oh where to start with the melodramatic putz. "London sucks. The rich are decedant and detached. The poor are the most human and pathetic of all creatures, and if you're a plucky young underdog, you can pull yourself up with grit. London sucks."

RussDill, my entire English 101 Honors class is doing research papers on comparisons between Dickens's time and modern Los Angeles. We uh, haven't come that far on some issues apparently, but I'll know better after tomorrow.
 
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LostAngeles said:

RussDill, my entire English 101 Honors class is doing research papers on comparisons between Dickens's time and modern Los Angeles. We uh, haven't come that far on some issues apparently, but I'll know better after tomorrow.
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Sounds like fun, people get out of touch with history way too quickly, usually it seems, to mold whatever situations occured to more closely match their own surroundings.
 
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RussDill said:
Sounds like fun, people get out of touch with history way too quickly, usually it seems, to mold whatever situations occured to more closely match their own surroundings.
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Like fun? I'll tell you this, researching the court of Chancery, sucks.

Bleak House? Would suck less if Esther didn't suck.

:D
 
Ian said:
.....snipe... So I think that we should stop doing space tourism. What about Democracy?!?
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Based on Ian's mention of both "space tourism" as well as "democracy". I feel the context of the discussion should involve the taxpayer's money that goes to support the research to make space travel possible.

Otherwise it made less sense (not no sense) for the public to complain about the privilege of the rich.
If it is just a direct private business investment, the public could care less about it. Even then, people like Ian will still be entitled to complain that they don't get to travel to space. This is a normal market demand for budget space travelling.

Frankly, I think most people would rather see public money be channelled to other more meaningful areas than to sustain a rich man's enjoyment.

If all "space tourism" operation are mandated to carry some non-paying public citizen. Perhaps it might look better.
 
Earthborn said:
I guess you are against road travel too, because in the beginning only the very rich could afford cars. In fact this is still true to some degree. People on welfare in a European country can't afford a car and they belong to the richest 10% of the world's population!...snipe...
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There are such thing as building a car for public transport.
And there are such things building a road for utilitarian/common benefit.

It is as much about the road and the flight operation of a space craft, as it is about the actual vehicle.

Can you imagine a network of roads, build for the sole purpose of allowing the rich people to go for tour? And the poor are allowed walk on it as long as they pay an extremely prohibitively high dues?
 
I guess that some people could go to space by first getting a pilot's license and then go into school and study hard and I heard that going to the military might help even though I probably won't go into the military. People might also just get a pilot's license and then apply for a job at Nasa and eventually get to fly into space. That's one way to do it without going to space tourism companies. Also, I heard that people are saying that people would eventually get into space for $100000. I speculate that it might go down. We actually don't know what is going to happen with the Space Tourism industries. People might not want it to always forever be for just the rich and I'm sure that people might find ways to lower the cost of space tourism. "I hope."
 
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