South Tower 81st floor filled with thermite?

[The Platypus]

Whatever. More seriously though, I have neither the time, education nor the inclination to examine your claims. Well, I guess I have time, but I don't want to put in too much effort.

Typical of conspiracy kooks...

 

[phunk]

No, he means thermite produces too little energy - less than the samples in the Jones-paper.

Less than Jones' paper itself if you printed it out and set it on fire.

 

[Oystein]

Whatever. More seriously though, I have neither the time, education nor the inclination to examine your claims. Well, I guess I have time, but I don't want to put in too much effort.

By the same logic, you have neither the time, education nor the inclination to make the claims that you make.
You are also clearly putting way too little effort into iut.
Consequently, your claims are bound to come out wrong.
And they do.

 

[Oystein]

Onto ignore you go then....

Seconded.

 

[Anders Lindman]

No, he means thermite produces too little energy - less than the samples in the Jones-paper. That is clear-cut evidence that it was NOT a thermite reaction that they produced, and the material cannot possibly have been thermite, unless you allow magic to break the fundamental laws of this universe.

(No evidence at all exists of any macro-amounts of molten steel from the twin towers or WTC7. None at all. Anders, where is the evidence for all that crap?)

Too little energy? See the title of this thread. A LOT of thermite. Enough to really soften up the entire 81st floor.

 

[Craig4]

Whatever. More seriously though, I have neither the time, education nor the inclination to examine your claims. Well, I guess I have time, but I don't want to put in too much effort.

What do you mean "more seriously" you haven't taken this topic seriously ever. You've turned a national tragedy into meaningless hobby. Do you really feel throwing around accusations of mass murder and aiding and abetting mass murder is a suitable game. You've accused members of the US Government of covering up the truth about the mass murder and you can't be bothered to put for the effort to back up that idiotic claim?

The real problem with your kind is that it delegitimizes real, scholarly failure analysis by lumping serious analysis with your brand of lunacy. Obviously no one needs to take you seriously but there is good work to be done studying what went wrong and you make that work harder.

 

[Craig4]

Too little energy? See the title of this thread. A LOT of thermite. Enough to really soften up the entire 81st floor.

Yes but all that discussion about thermite is from you and we've established the value of your claims.

 

[Oystein]

Too little energy? See the title of this thread. A LOT of thermite. Enough to really soften up the entire 81st floor.

The "confused" smiley is appropriate here: You are confused about the context, and confused about how thermite is and isn't identified.

To clue you in: We were most recently discussing Jones' paper. triforcharity pointed out that the red chips in Jones' paper can't be thermite, since their energy yield, as shown in Jones' own paper, is too high.

You are under the wrong impression that thermite contains or releases a lot of energy (per weight unit). It doesn't. The maximum energy contained in thermite and released when burning can be precisely calculated, it is a little less than 4 kJ/g (kilo-Joules per gram - Joules being the SI unit for energy).
Two of the chips in Jones' paper released more than 4kJ/g, in one peak. This is incontrovertible proof that whatever they burned there cannot possibly be thermite.
You may wonder what these energetic substances might have been? I can't tell you, because the paper is pretty ****** and failed to analyse the big elephant in the room: The organic matrix that they found to be present, but went on to ignore.
Can an organic matrix be more energetic than thermite?
Yes.
Indeed, pretty much every organic compound is more energetic than thermite. Fuel, resins, wood, plastics, fats, solvents - they all contain and release MUCH more energy per mass than thermite. In fact, YOU, your own body, is (on average) more energetic than thermite, even with all the water you contain.
I mentioned resins particularly because that's what I suspect the organic matrix to be made of: the red chips are most likely a red paint with iron oxide as pigment, kaolinite as filler, and a resin to hold it all together.

 

[The Platypus]

I have mentioned it several times before. For those who haven't read that, the perpetrators were a shadow group of people not connected to any particular organization, company or maybe even country. Those who were forced to do the cover-up has been a huge number of people in key positions and in positions of power in the government, media, academia etc.

The original perpetrators were a group of 'puppet masters' who carried out the planning and the recruitment of shadow contractors to carry out the implementation and execution phase.

As i already said, why do you kooks always dance around with this vague bull **** language. This doesn't answer my question.

Who are these people?

Now it's, "a shadow group of people", who is that?
"puppet masters", who are they?
"gov't, media, academia", which people?
"original perpetrators", who's that?
"shadow contractors", who are they?

Didn't I say name names, be very specific...yup i did...

 

[Animal]

I doubt that this was caused by only office fire and jet fuel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmuzyWC60eE

You doubt it because you are ill informed (or willfully ignorant)


You can see here that office fires will reach temperatures above 1500 F within an hour.
http://www.mace.manchester.ac.uk/pr...trucfire/DataBase/TestData/BRETest/page47.htm


Melting temperatures of metals....
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/melting-temperature-metals-d_860.html

There are several commonly used metals with melt temperatures below that found in office fires.

 

[Animal]

The office fire before the thermite was ignited looked like it had a low temperature, with black smoke.

Cripes, that troofer belief has been proven false years ago. Smoke color is not dependent to fire temperature. Black smoke is an indication of unburnt carbon present.

 

[Animal]

Whatever. More seriously though, I have neither the time, education nor the inclination to examine your claims. Well, I guess I have time, but I don't want to put in too much effort.

That is trooferism in a nutshell......no desire to learn, you just want to believe what you want to believe.

 

[Craig4]

I have mentioned it several times before. For those who haven't read that, the perpetrators were a shadow group of people not connected to any particular organization, company or maybe even country. Those who were forced to do the cover-up has been a huge number of people in key positions and in positions of power in the government, media, academia etc.

The original perpetrators were a group of 'puppet masters' who carried out the planning and the recruitment of shadow contractors to carry out the implementation and execution phase.

Who are these "puppet masters"? You say they exists, who are they? Are you going to just engage in your typical cowardice and hand wave it off? Despicable.

 

[twinstead]

Anders since you have no evidence of any of your theories, it appears you have just made up shadowy, evil, unknown perpetrators to be the masterminds of your fantasy. Seriously, it would probably make a decent spy novel or horror movie, though. Maybe you and Bill Smith should pursue that avenue.

I know--you can spend what you make on your movie on a new investigation into 9/11! Your path should be clear now, my friend; go forth and hallucinate.

 

[triforcharity]

I doubt that this was caused by only office fire and jet fuel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmuzyWC60eE

I'm sorry, are you hitching your trailer to an argument from peronal ignorance?

Awesome!!

 

[triforcharity]

Too little energy? See the title of this thread. A LOT of thermite. Enough to really soften up the entire 81st floor.

Nothing like missing the point over and over again.

Let me speel it out for you.

What

Jones

Found

was

not

thermite

since

the

stuff

he

found

burned

too

hot

to

be

thermite

of

any

kind.



There, does that help?

 

[Craig4]

I doubt that this was caused by only office fire and jet fuel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmuzyWC60eE

Of what importance could your unsupported doubts possibly be?

 

[TSR]

But, someone 'aught to slap that little dancing icon you have.

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Oh, c'mon tri: it's the most worthwhile part of any post zie makes.
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[TSR]

Not, here, not there, not anywhere.

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Ah, but how about Green Thermite and Ham?

Would you try it in a slab?

And if you did then would you blab?

Would you blab then, Tri I Am?
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[Sabrina]

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Ah, but how about Green Thermite and Ham?

Would you try it in a slab?

And if you did then would you blab?

Would you blab then, Tri I Am?
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Nominated!

Man, this forum is providing all sorts of good pith lately.