So will the world respond?

[Hutch]

I guess it wouldn't surprise me if some Imam claimed credit for it on account of praying so hard.

...Unless Pat Robertson beats him too it...

.....As a famous New Orleans resident once said, "I've always depended on the kindness of strangers."

Maybe I'm wrong, but wasn't that Atlanta and fire, not New Orleans and water? Although based on the pictures it does look like William Tecumseh Sherman and the Bummers were reserrected for another march....

 

[BPSCG]

...Unless Pat Robertson beats him too it...



Maybe I'm wrong, but wasn't that Atlanta and fire, not New Orleans and water? Although based on the pictures it does look like William Tecumseh Sherman and the Bummers were reserrected for another march....

You're thinking of this lady:

But I was thinking of this one:

Whoops - same lady.

 

[Manny]

...Unless Pat Robertson beats him too it...

Actually, it turns out that the hurricane-related *sshole of the year award goes to...

Bobby Kennedy Jr! He came out of his woo-induced plan to mass-murder poor children by denying them immunizations long enough to blame the last-minute zig eastward of the hurricane on Mississippi governor Haley Barbour. Well, on God, with an assist to Gov. Barbour. (cite)

Man, when the New York Times editorial page of all places is correcting your science, you know you're in the woo zone.

 

[Kerberos]

Actually, it turns out that the hurricane-related *sshole of the year award goes to...

Bobby Kennedy Jr! He came out of his woo-induced plan to mass-murder poor children by denying them immunizations long enough to blame the last-minute zig eastward of the hurricane on Mississippi governor Haley Barbour. Well, on God, with an assist to Gov. Barbour. (cite)

Sorry, but it seems pretty clear to me that the last paragraph is sarcastic.

 

[Flo]

Well, we're going to be getting the remnants of Katrina here in the next few hours. I don't expect to need any assistance rebuilding my house or pumping the mud out of my basement. But I'll probably get wet walking home tonight. It would certainly be a nice gesture if the French would send me a few dozen cases of Crozes-Hermitage and Saint-Verain.

A couple of kilos of Roquefort would be nice, too.

Flo, can you help us out here? As a famous New Orleans resident once said, "I've always depended on the kindness of strangers."

Sorry, but we've had our own floods too, and the labels for the Crozes-Hermitage got mixed with those for the Chateau-Migraine ...

 

[BPSCG]

Sorry, but we've had our own floods too, and the labels for the Crozes-Hermitage got mixed with those for the Chateau-Migraine ...

Dommage...
Could you just send the Roquefort, then, s'il vous plait?

 

[Manny]

Sorry, but it seems pretty clear to me that the last paragraph is sarcastic.

Well, let's check the evidence.

He blamed Bush for the failure of a treaty which the Senate signalled unanimously that it would reject. He blamed increased hurricane frequency on greenhouse gasses when there's an extremely well-established cyclical pattern which overcomes by a wide margin any predicted change to hurricane patterns from greenhouse effects. The author of the article in Nature which Kennedy said "linked the increasing prevalence of destructive hurricanes to human-induced global warming" in fact said, "what we see in the Atlantic is mostly the natural swing."

Unless the entire article is satire, what is your evidence that the last paragraph is somehow different from the rest of the garbage he put out? Is Kennedy not a Christian? Is there some evidence that his belief about the propensity of God to intervene in earthly affairs is different from the belief of Pat Robertson?

 

[rikzilla]

I'm pretty sure Katrina won't rank up there with the Tsunami destruction from last year as far as loss of life... at least I hope it won't. But will their be a world response? When is one merited?

Flick

I predict little to no world response, there are various reasons;

• The USA is so rich it can fend for itself.
• The USA is to blame for the storm due to Bush's stance on Kyoto.
• Allah is punishing the USA.
• Jesus is punishing the USA.
• The intergalacticspaghettimonster is punishing the USA.
• "Plenty of UN help would appear overnight if the stubborn US authorities would just place those "UN" stickers on the trucks, aircraft, and helicopters working the area." -Kofi Annan

I guess we're gonna have to fend for ourselves. Good thing that we're pretty good at it.

Last year two different hurricanes damaged my mom's house in Melbourne, FL. The silver lining is that people tend to bond during times like these and they will be helping each other alot. My mom told me a about the Amish. Turns out a group of Amish workers came down from Pennsylvania to help rebuild homes in Melbourne. These guys do extremely high quality work at reasonable rates, and the coolest thing; they work well without need of electricity!

Once the flood waters are gone and the looting has stopped the next bad thing that the people in the damage area are going to have to watch out for is crooked contractors. Not all the out of state help will be honest like the Amish.

-z

 

[PopeTom]

I think we have our answer.

Clearly the environmental minister of Germany must be correct, I mean when was the last time Germany was devastated by a hurricane? Clearly their cutting of greenhouse gasses is doing them wonders.



-PT

 

[ZeeGerman]

Clearly the environmental minister of Germany must be correct, I mean when was the last time Germany was devastated by a hurricane? Clearly their cutting of greenhouse gasses is doing them wonders.



-PT

Oh come on, the guy is desperately grasping at straws. After all, its election time again and the coalition of the social democrats and the greens will almost certainly be replaced by a coalition of the christian democrats and the liberals after september 18th. And no good will his cheap attempt of "told you so" and stirring of anti US sentiments do him. Katrina and its horrible aftermath gets a lot of prime TV coverage over here but gloating you see not. After all, south Germany (as well as Ausria and Switzerland) had their own small flood catastrophy just two weeks ago. By far not as disastrous as in the US but still.

Zee

 

[Kerberos]

Well, let's check the evidence.

He blamed Bush for the failure of a treaty which the Senate signalled unanimously that it would reject. He blamed increased hurricane frequency on greenhouse gasses when there's an extremely well-established cyclical pattern which overcomes by a wide margin any predicted change to hurricane patterns from greenhouse effects. The author of the article in Nature which Kennedy said "linked the increasing prevalence of destructive hurricanes to human-induced global warming" in fact said, "what we see in the Atlantic is mostly the natural swing."

Unless the entire article is satire, what is your evidence that the last paragraph is somehow different from the rest of the garbage he put out? Is Kennedy not a Christian? Is there some evidence that his belief about the propensity of God to intervene in earthly affairs is different from the belief of Pat Robertson?

There's all the difference in the world, Kennedy might be a woo-woo of the worst sort, I know very little about him, but this is the wrong kind of woo from that end of the political spectrum. It's the kind of nonsense you'd expect from the religious right, not from left religious or not. Just to be sure I did a short search and found this article by him. It doesn't address god's stance on redirecting hurricanes directly, but it's clearly against religiously-based "science".
Besides the souce he quotes for the "god directs hurricanes claim" is "Republican icon Pat Robertson". Do you really thinks he used most of the article to bash republicans just to point out in the end that the person from whom he just drew these pearls of wisdom from a "republican icon". It wouldn't really fit with the trend of the article would it?

 

[Neutiquam Erro]

Political axe-grinding aside, I was wondering what resources could be brought in from other countries to aid the situation in LA/MS? Pumps and levee-building technology from The Netherlands? Cruise ships for housing evacuees from (wherever the Hell those things come from)?

 

[Manny]

Ah, so the particular woo is different from what you expect, so it's "clear" that it was sarcasm. That's a good skeptic.

What's wrong with the hypothesis that Kennedy agrees with Robertson about God's powers but believes that the Big Guy has different politics? I'm open to the possibility that it was sarcasm, or at least more sarcastic than Robertson's remarks on the same subject, but given the other crap in the article I think asking for evidence is justified, don't you? Perhaps there's something in Catholic theology which is different from Robertson's theology about God's interventions in the natural world. I dunno. (And I realize that I'm assuming that Kennedy is still a Catholic -- I'm pretty safe there, I think, but I'm certainly ready to be corrected on that too if it turns out to be incorrect.)

 

[Skeptical Greg]

Perhaps the best thing people can do is visit. I was so glad that old New Orleans seems to have survived ... to be eaten by termites. This is a wake-up call to people that have always meant to go to New Orleans one day but haven't got around to it. Tourism is way better than charity.

I guess you could say it survived..

Maybe they can get a ' gondola ' thing going, to replace the horse drawn carriages, or tour boats, like the River Walk in San Antonio TX...

Looks like the tourism has already picked up..

http://www.theage.com.au/news/world...ooters-clean-up/2005/08/31/1125302629394.html

 

[Kerberos]

Ah, so the particular woo is different from what you expect, so it's "clear" that it was sarcasm. That's a good skeptic.

Yes it is, the more unusual something is the more evidence it requires. Simple logic, perhaps you should try it sometimes?

What's wrong with the hypothesis that Kennedy agrees with Robertson about God's powers but believes that the Big Guy has different politics?

That it's blatantly inconsistent with what he wrote in the article I linked too.

I'm open to the possibility that it was sarcasm, or at least more sarcastic than Robertson's remarks on the same subject, but given the other crap in the article I think asking for evidence is justified, don't you?

As I said it's the wrong kind of crap. Besides the sarcasm really is quite clear from the phrasing. "Perhaps it was..." is a very typical phrasing for sarcasm, but an untypical one for religious fanatics. Religious fanatics seldom say "I suspect", "I think" or "perhaps", fanatics know, particularly when it comes to religion.

Perhaps there's something in Catholic theology which is different from Robertson's theology about God's interventions in the natural world. I dunno. (And I realize that I'm assuming that Kennedy is still a Catholic -- I'm pretty safe there, I think, but I'm certainly ready to be corrected on that too if it turns out to be incorrect.)

He is still Catholic , but if memory serves religious fanatism in the US is mainly a protestant thing.

 

[Magyar]

The reason the world responded to the tsunami is because the countries affected didn't have resources, plans, agencies, and infrastructure to handle the crisis.

The US has all that.

Too bad it's all over in Iraq.

Seriously though, how has/will the e-aid for this area been affected because so many of the National guards troops are over in iraq?

I've been busy the last couple of days so I am jsut catching up on all the details, but couldn't the looting have been better controled if we had the National guard? Is the corp. of engineers ( I assume they would be in charge of the levies) over there as well?


Just asking.

 

[Kerberos]

Re: Re: So will the world respond?

I predict little to no world response, there are various reasons;

• The USA is so rich it can fend for itself.
• The USA is to blame for the storm due to Bush's stance on Kyoto.
• Allah is punishing the USA.
• Jesus is punishing the USA.
• The intergalacticspaghettimonster is punishing the USA.
• "Plenty of UN help would appear overnight if the stubborn US authorities would just place those "UN" stickers on the trucks, aircraft, and helicopters working the area." -Kofi Annan

You forgot one: "the US isn't going to ask for help". I'm fairly sure that help would be sent if you asked for it, You wont though, largely because, as you say, you don't really need it.

 

[ZeeGerman]

Re: Re: Re: So will the world respond?

You forgot one: "the US isn't going to ask for help". I'm fairly sure that help would be sent if you asked for it, You wont though, largely because, as you say, you don't really need it.

True enough.
Nevertheless, I - personally - would have preferred to read something like
"German chancellor offers to help and to provide whatever the US might need." in the headlines.

Instead this idiot Trittin has nothing better to do than to slap the American people right in the face with his silly allegations.

I feel really ashamed, guys, I really do. I voted for those pricks two years ago.

Luckily, they'll be gone in 18 days.

Sorry again you all and I'm sure you manage perfectly well without us.

Zee

 

[BPSCG]

Re: Re: Re: Re: So will the world respond?

True enough.
Nevertheless, I - personally - would have preferred to read something like
"German chancellor offers to help and to provide whatever the US might need." in the headlines.

How about Ich bin ein New Orleanser?

 

[RandFan]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: So will the world respond?

How about Ich bin ein New Orleanser?

I am gumbo? Or would that be blackend cat fish?