So Will 2012 Be Just Another Year?

Brainache said:
And as this "new way of thinking" apparently amounts to: "Bankers are greedy bastards", I'm having a hard time seeing anything new about it.
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What is new is the general perception of the public. The bankers were always greedy bastards but until very recently most people had very little idea what they actually do, how they make their money, and how their behaviour affects everybody-else.
 
Orphia Nay said:
So 2012 will be special for some special people? How special.
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An interesting question, but not one I'm inclined to answer on this particular board. I'm not expecting Jesus to return, if that's what you're hinting at.

I think some people, mainly those who are already "spiritually inclined" will experience these changes as primarily spiritual. Most of the people who post on this board will focus on the social, political and economic aspects.
 
Quinn said:
There is an awful lot of stuff that happens on our planet. Because of this, statistically we can expect that every year, there will be some things that happen for the first time, some things that stop happening, some things that happen more than they ever have before, and some things that happen less than they ever have before.

So at the end of this year, everyone hell-bent on proving that 2012 was somehow special will pull up as many of those events and trends as they can find, and point to them as evidence that they were right all along, while ignoring the comparable events and trends from every other year in recorded history.

UCE, how would you distinguish what you're claiming from what I just described?
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What you are describing is something to do with the debate about whether or not mystical prophecies are anything more than random guesswork. If what I'm currently expecting turns out to be true, I think everybody will have more than enough other things to worry/talk about to be bothered about whether or not the changes have anything to do with the prophecies.

Many skeptics will remain skeptical, the mystics will say the prophecies have been fulfilled, but all of them together will have to find ways to cope with the real-world situation they find themselves in. The changes themselves are much more important than arguments about whether or not they were partly "caused" by something spiritual.
 
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UndercoverElephant said:
The bankers were always greedy bastards but until very recently most people had very little idea what they actually do, how they make their money, and how their behaviour affects everybody-else.
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You underestimate your fellow human beings. Never heard of Shylock? The Wobblies?
 
dafydd said:
We are perpetually where we are right now. 2012 is just another year.
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Well, I obviously don't agree. I think the world is currently changing more quickly than it has at any point in any of our lifetimes. From a purely political/economic viewpoint, the world order that has existed since the end of WWII is coming to an end. The period of history when Europe and North America dominated world affairs (which started with the scientific revolution) is also coming to an end.
 
dafydd said:
You underestimate your fellow human beings. Never heard of Shylock? The Wobblies?
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Most people still don't understand that banks are allowed to invent money out of nowhere and then lend it to people and claim interest on it. They think that banks lend out money that other people have saved. Or at least they did until very recently.

I'm not under-estimating people. It's not really their fault if things have been deliberately concealed from them.
 
UndercoverElephant said:
2012 is already no ordinary year, and it is getting less and less ordinary as it goes by.

Most of the people who have posted in this thread don't know me, but ten years ago I made some posts on this board which involved predictions about 2012. Those posts are no longer available (too old, and I think one of my accounts got deleted) but the basic gist was that 2012 would be the year when the world as we know it comes to an end. I also predicted that the cracks would start showing about 2007. I was one year out; they started showing in 2008.
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The bolded part is my favorite. It is a classic "Get out of fail free" card. No matter what happens you can claim victory.
 
UndercoverElephant said:
Most people still don't understand that banks are allowed to invent money out of nowhere and then lend it to people and claim interest on it. They think that banks lend out money that other people have saved. Or at least they did until very recently.

I'm not under-estimating people. It's not really their fault if things have been deliberately concealed from them.
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So would this world shattering event also involve the unmasking of the Cabal of Evil Government Conspirators who committed the 9/11 attacks in New York and Washington?
 
Craig4 said:
So, how will the world change on 12/21/2012?
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I don't know. There may not be anything special about that specific day. On the other hand, a total meltdown of the global monetary system is possible, and it could happen very quickly. Maybe it will happen on that day. Maybe it won't happen for another couple of years.
 
CyberCecil said:
The bolded part is my favorite. It is a classic "Get out of fail free" card. No matter what happens you can claim victory.
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I have no interest in "claiming victory." I'm interested in talking about what is happening in the real world at this time. Given the seriousness of the real-world things we are talking about, I don't think it matters who "wins" the debate about the paranormal (which I think is unwinnable by either side anyway.)

We're all in this together, regardless of what we believe about mysticism and skepticism.
 
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Brainache said:
So would this world shattering event also involve the unmasking of the Cabal of Evil Government Conspirators who committed the 9/11 attacks in New York and Washington?
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Personally, I think the 9/11 conspiracy theories are about as believable as the moon landing conspiracy theories. I do believe there is a conspiracy of sorts, involving the banks and other Big Money powers, but I don't believe they had anything to do with 9/11. They were the primary target of 9/11, after all.
 
UndercoverElephant said:
I don't know. There may not be anything special about that specific day. On the other hand, a total meltdown of the global monetary system is possible, and it could happen very quickly. Maybe it will happen on that day. Maybe it won't happen for another couple of years.
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So something could happen or it might not. Color me unimpressed with your predictions.
 
Craig4 said:
So something could happen or it might not. Color me unimpressed with your predictions.
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As already stated, I don't think the validity or invalidity of the prophecies are what matters here. I don't care whether or not you are impressed by my predictions. I do care about people understanding what is happening in the world at the moment, because I think it is very important that as many people as possible understand it as thoroughly as possible.

I don't believe that what I'm predicting will lead to a load of skeptics suddenly changing their minds about the 2012 prophecies. That's not what this is about. Not for me, anyway. The actual changes taking place are much more important than whether or not individual people believe there is anything "spiritual" going on. That's just a matter of personal interpretation.
 
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UndercoverElephant said:
As already stated, I don't think the validity or invalidity of the prophecies are what matters here. I don't care whether or not you are impressed by my predictions. I do care about people understanding what is happening in the world at the moment, because I think it is very important that as many people as possible understand it as thoroughly as possible.

I don't believe that what I'm predicting will lead to a load of skeptics suddenly changing their minds about the 2012 prophecies. That's not what this is about. Not for me, anyway. The actual changes taking place are much more important than whether or not individual people believe there is anything "spiritual" going on. That's just a matter of personal interpretation.
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Changes always take place. What's new?
 
UndercoverElephant said:
I don't know. There may not be anything special about that specific day. On the other hand, a total meltdown of the global monetary system is possible, and it could happen very quickly. Maybe it will happen on that day. Maybe it won't happen for another couple of years.
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So you wouldn't like to bet on it?
 
UndercoverElephant said:
Most people still don't understand that banks are allowed to invent money out of nowhere and then lend it to people and claim interest on it. They think that banks lend out money that other people have saved. Or at least they did until very recently.

I'm not under-estimating people. It's not really their fault if things have been deliberately concealed from them.
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You are underestimating your fellow men and women again. Most of us know what banks get up to. At the time of the South Sea Bubble people knew what banks got up to. Of course if you have evidence that most people don't know how banks operate then feel free to present it here.
 
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