So what form does the resistance take?

[Reformed Offlian]

You understand that in this analogy, you're siding with the administration backing the murderer, right?

Whatever sting this comparison is supposed to have can only derive from the severity of the outrage being witnessed. I'll take this as theprestige's tacit admission that ICE is murdering people.

 

[Reformed Offlian]

"Remember that story about how people stood by passively while Kitty Genovese was being murdered? We should record ourselves doing that kind of thing. #Resistance!"

Kinda makes you wonder why the administration seems so eager to label these ineffectual do-nothings as terrorists, or why they've issued prepare-to-deploy orders to actual Army units to quell these harmless, innocuous would-be influencers.

It's almost like they're fascists who are actually afraid of something.

 

[Safe-Keeper]

Kinda makes you wonder why the administration seems so eager to label these ineffectual do-nothings as terrorists, or why they've issued prepare-to-deploy orders to actual Army units to quell these harmless, innocuous would-be influencers.

It's almost like they're fascists who are actually afraid of something.

Also almost like they're following the fascist playbook and declaring their enemies to be pathetically weak and simultaneously an existential threat.

 

[Reformed Offlian]

Also almost like they're following the fascist playbook and declaring their enemies to be pathetically weak and simultaneously an existential threat.

Yeah, but you're from Norway, so what would *you* know about fascist collaborators?

 

[johnny karate]

"Remember that story about how people stood by passively while Kitty Genovese was being murdered? We should record ourselves doing that kind of thing. #Resistance!"

As predictable as the sunrise.

These people are more courageous than MAGA could ever dream of being and that of course is why MAGA despises them.

 

[Reformed Offlian]

As predictable as the sunrise.

These people are more courageous than MAGA could ever dream of being and that of course is why MAGA despises them.

They should storm the Capitol while Congress is in session. I hear that people who do that get pardons.

 

[Emily's Cat]

Color me unsurprised, that the "resistance" takes the form of standing around making noise while things progress anyway. We've reached peak cargo-cult activism.

Well, that and actively obstructing legal law enforcement activity.

 

[Emily's Cat]

We just had another poster complain that the protesters *were* playing into the regime's hands by protesting at all. So our options are: a) dangerously provocative forms of protest according to The Atheist and Ivor the Engineer, b) ineffectual "cargo-cult" protests according to theprestige; c) some other form of protest tbd that will obviate all criticism from our resident right-wing posters, d) none of the above. Obviously, the righties prefer d), but that doesn't make it the correct option.

Alternatively, people without some deep-seated partisan zealotry could let law enforcement do their jobs without interference. You know, like most other states do, and like was done during the Obama and Biden administrations?

 

[Emily's Cat]

Also almost like they're following the fascist playbook and declaring their enemies to be pathetically weak and simultaneously an existential threat.

I feel like I've heard this before... You know, what with republicans simultaneously being super duper dumb and ineffective and also criminal masterminds with a massive conspiracy to destroy democracy and install a dictator?

At the end of the day, partisans are irrational.

 

[theprestige]

Well, that and actively obstructing legal law enforcement activity.

I'm pretty sure not everything ICE is doing is legal.

Also, I have a lot of respect for resistance in the form of civil disobedience. ICE having to arrest a dozen passively-obstructing bystanders every time they try to arrest an illegal, things will get very interesting very fast. ICE having to ignore a dozen passive bystanders, not so much.

 

[theprestige]

Whatever sting this comparison is supposed to have can only derive from the severity of the outrage being witnessed. I'll take this as theprestige's tacit admission that ICE is murdering people.

I'm highlighting the discrepancy between the seriousness of the rhetoric and the seriousness of the actions.

People who talk about ICE being the literal Gestapo can't pat themselves on the back for a "resistance" that consists entirely of standing by while ICE does it's thing.

Dude's being carted off to Alligator Alcatraz, but cheer up, dude! There's a blue haired nose ring waving a phone from a safe distance, saying "I'm on your side, dude!"

 

[theprestige]

We know what anything more - i.e. violent protest - will be used as an excuse to do.

"When they came for the Jews, I did nothing, because I'll be damned if I put my life on the line for them."

- Niemoller, probably

If you won't act because you're afraid of the government crackdown, then the time for resistance has already passed you by.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

I'm highlighting the discrepancy between the seriousness of the rhetoric and the seriousness of the actions.

People who talk about ICE being the literal Gestapo can't pat themselves on the back for a "resistance" that consists entirely of standing by while ICE does it's thing.

Dude's being carted off to Alligator Alcatraz, but cheer up, dude! There's a blue haired nose ring waving a phone from a safe distance, saying "I'm on your side, dude!"

I think it's a belief that the rule of law still exists in your country and documenting unlawful behaviour will lead to remedial action. If that's not the case then all you're left with is using your admittedly impressive arsenal of weapons to kill each other with until the side left with a few survivors gets to declare itself winner and.... Okay, yay you.

 

[johnny karate]

Well, that and actively obstructing legal law enforcement activity.

Alternatively, people without some deep-seated partisan zealotry could let law enforcement do their jobs without interference. You know, like most other states do, and like was done during the Obama and Biden administrations?

Someone who said the violent thugs who assaulted cops while trying to overthrow an election "wandered through the Capitol and did no material property damage and caused no actual harm" has thoughts about respecting law enforcement.

 

[theprestige]

I think it's a belief that the rule of law still exists in your country and documenting unlawful behaviour will lead to remedial action. If that's not the case then all you're left with is using your admittedly impressive arsenal of weapons to kill each other with until the side left with a few survivors gets to declare itself winner and.... Okay, yay you.

Fair enough.

 

[johnny karate]

I'm pretty sure not everything ICE is doing is legal.

Also, I have a lot of respect for resistance in the form of civil disobedience. ICE having to arrest a dozen passively-obstructing bystanders every time they try to arrest an illegal, things will get very interesting very fast. ICE having to ignore a dozen passive bystanders, not so much.

Protestors are being tear-gassed, peppered-sprayed, harassed, detained, and arrested by ICE. At least one person was shot and killed.

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rule 12 removed,

 

[theprestige]

For those that have lost their place in the conversation, I'm talking specifically about this form of "resistance":

This is the form the resistance takes:

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[plague311]

Someone who said the violent thugs who assaulted cops while trying to overthrow an election "wandered through the Capitol and did no material property damage and caused no actual harm" has thoughts about respecting law enforcement.

I can't see posts by certain people, but I remember this conversation once I followed the link. I said something back then that's equally as relevant now. "Morals go out the window when it's convenient" and that sums up the right-wing in general. There is no consistency at all in their positions. If they do it, it's fine. If "the left" does it, it's the end of the world. Cops literally died on J6, and milquetoast criticism was the best we got from theprestige, emily's cat (I know she's not a rightie, she's a centr...lol I couldn't say it with a straight face) but now that an ICE officer got barely nudged by a car they're all up in arms.

 

[bruto]

You understand that in this analogy, you're siding with the administration backing the murderer, right?

Well, he's on record as hating analogies because they are so inaccurate, so perhaps he's just reinforcing the point.

 

[Reformed Offlian]

Alternatively, people without some deep-seated partisan zealotry could let law enforcement do their jobs without interference.

That would be option d). As predicted

You know, like most other states do, and like was done during the Obama and Biden administrations?

Except when it wasn't, such as during Operation Lone Star.