So what form does the resistance take?

arthwollipot said:
It's interesting that @theprestige thought that the post was about jargon, though.
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What's of interest about it?

ETA: Actually, the more I think about it, the more what I think is interesting is that she's making a pretty clear distinction between "protests" and "actual actions that make an actual difference to real people and communities in the moment that they're most in need". So now maybe I'm thinking I was wrong to point and laugh at her.
 
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theprestige said:
What's of interest about it?

ETA: Actually, the more I think about it, the more what I think is interesting is that she's making a pretty clear distinction between "protests" and "actual actions that make an actual difference to real people and communities in the moment that they're most in need". So now maybe I'm thinking I was wrong to point and laugh at her.
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See, thinking about things is good!
 
Emily's Cat said:
In the same way that not everything police do is legal, sure. But the majority of what they're currently doing is legal, and it's their job. Of course we should take steps to address the illegal things and prevent them from happening, but we should still recognize that the overwhelming majority of it is the exact same thing they've done under different administrations.

I get civil disobedience. But I end up stuck when the disobedience is taking the form of actively obstructing law enforcement. If this were police doing their job to apprehend a suspect in a criminal investigation, I can't imagine so many people would be sanguine about organized groups of people assisting the criminals in evading the cops. And that's what's happening here - it's not just people protesting ICE, it's people actively and intentionally helping illegal immigrants evade ICE. And that's before you add in the vandalism, harassment, and intent to doxx agents and their families.
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Every time I see one of these moralizing lectures from Emily's Cat, I'll be offering a reminder that they once said a violent of mob of cop-assaulting insurrectionists just wandered through the Capitol and did no material property damage and caused no actual harm.
 
theprestige said:
What's of interest about it?

ETA: Actually, the more I think about it, the more what I think is interesting is that she's making a pretty clear distinction between "protests" and "actual actions that make an actual difference to real people and communities in the moment that they're most in need". So now maybe I'm thinking I was wrong to point and laugh at her.
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Something else you're disregarding is the impact this is having on public opinion.

Despite a right wing propaganda onslaught in a favorable media ecosystem and tepid pushback from establishment Democrats, the American people hate ICE.

That's because of these protestors out there everyday risking their lives and livelihood to show us what these thugs are doing.

 
johnny karate said:
Something else you're disregarding is the impact this is having on public opinion.

Despite a right wing propaganda onslaught in a favorable media ecosystem and tepid pushback from establishment Democrats, the American people hate ICE.

That's because of these protestors out there everyday risking their lives and livelihood to show us what these thugs are doing.
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That's a good point.
 
johnny karate said:
Something else you're disregarding is the impact this is having on public opinion.

Despite a right wing propaganda onslaught in a favorable media ecosystem and tepid pushback from establishment Democrats, the American people hate ICE.

That's because of these protestors out there everyday risking their lives and livelihood to show us what these thugs are doing.
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this is true, and i think that since the trump admin doesn't really have facts on their side, they try and control the framing. like in framing the ice protests as riots the excessive violence of ice is more easily justified. it's just not true, but boy would it be easier for them if it was, so they lie.
 
Emily's Cat said:
In the same way that not everything police do is legal, sure. But the majority of what they're currently doing is legal, and it's their job. Of course we should take steps to address the illegal things and prevent them from happening, but we should still recognize that the overwhelming majority of it is the exact same thing they've done under different administrations.
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NO!!
You really do not get it, do you? I know you never will, but I still feel obligated to point it out to you:
This is NOT the same ICE as what existed prior to Trump's new term. It has more than doubled in size. Its leadership has been replaced by border patrol officers who have pledged allegiance to Trump--picked by Puppy-Killer Noem, or by Trump surrogates Miller et al, such as Bovino, the wannabe Nazi. Training has been significantly reduced. They are orders of magnitude more aggressive and completely oblivious to legal methods. I never in my life thought I'd see our federal government sanction the blatant execution of an American citizen, yet here we are. There ought to be a massive uprising over it, but the populace is tired, it has been worn down by 8+ years of gaslighting and misinformation. Every outrage is replaced by something more outrageous. And those who claim to be 'neutral' just keep repeating the mantra 'nothing to see here, move along'
 
Emily's Cat said:
In the same way that not everything police do is legal, sure. But the majority of what they're currently doing is legal, and it's their job. Of course we should take steps to address the illegal things and prevent them from happening, but we should still recognize that the overwhelming majority of it is the exact same thing they've done under different administrations.

I get civil disobedience. But I end up stuck when the disobedience is taking the form of actively obstructing law enforcement. If this were police doing their job to apprehend a suspect in a criminal investigation, I can't imagine so many people would be sanguine about organized groups of people assisting the criminals in evading the cops. And that's what's happening here - it's not just people protesting ICE, it's people actively and intentionally helping illegal immigrants evade ICE. And that's before you add in the vandalism, harassment, and intent to doxx agents and their families.
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Emily's Cat said:
In the same way that not everything police do is legal, sure. But the majority of what they're currently doing is legal, and it's their job. Of course we should take steps to address the illegal things and prevent them from happening, but we should still recognize that the overwhelming majority of it is the exact same thing they've done under different administrations.

I get civil disobedience. But I end up stuck when the disobedience is taking the form of actively obstructing law enforcement. If this were police doing their job to apprehend a suspect in a criminal investigation, I can't imagine so many people would be sanguine about organized groups of people assisting the criminals in evading the cops. And that's what's happening here - it's not just people protesting ICE, it's people actively and intentionally helping illegal immigrants evade ICE. And that's before you add in the vandalism, harassment, and intent to doxx agents and their families.
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The second paragraph. Even when what the law enforcement is clearly acting illegally? We have all had chances to watch the multiple videos where there is no question.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
What possible pretend excuse can there be to not even allow investigating the shooting?
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That's the part that's killing me. Sure, the righties here can say that she totally ran over him with her car (she didn't) or that she shouldn't have been there (she had every right to be there) or any other myriad of dumb ass ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ excuses that they come up with, but why isn't the DoJ or DHS even investigating the shooting? Why, instead, are they investing the wife? What good does that do?

The answer? None, it's to poison the well.
The Great Zaganza said:
Any excuse of this is just cheerleading for indiscriminate murder
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Yup.
 
theprestige said:
I'm not trying to start a civil war. I'd prefer not to have one. But I'm not just hassling the performatives. I honestly wish they would perform, if that's what they say is necessary. Either quit it with the revolutionary rhetoric, or get on with the ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ revolution already.
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Fair, I guess. I'm a bit fed up with toothless performative virtue too. I would just prefer that people quit the revolutionary rhetoric... because realistically if they get on with the ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ revolution, a whole lot people people are going to end up dead. And rationality leads me to conclude that a whole lot of the revolutionaries are the ones who will end up dead, not the rest of us. Despite media portrayals and narrative manipulation, the revolutionaries are quite the minority.
 
I Am The Scum said:
You perpetuated far-right lies about the capitol attack and got called out on it. And now you're doing the whole "anyone even a tiny bit to the right is far-right to you guys" line, which is also far-right mythology. You appear to be so deep in a right-wing echo chamber that you've lost sight of the center that you mistakenly believe yourself to inhabit. If you don't want to be treated like a clown, don't act like one.
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What far right views do I hold? And can you support your assertions, or are you just making baseless assumptions of my views?
 
stanfr said:
NO!!
You really do not get it, do you? I know you never will, but I still feel obligated to point it out to you:
This is NOT the same ICE as what existed prior to Trump's new term. It has more than doubled in size. Its leadership has been replaced by border patrol officers who have pledged allegiance to Trump--picked by Puppy-Killer Noem, or by Trump surrogates Miller et al, such as Bovino, the wannabe Nazi. Training has been significantly reduced. They are orders of magnitude more aggressive and completely oblivious to legal methods. I never in my life thought I'd see our federal government sanction the blatant execution of an American citizen, yet here we are. There ought to be a massive uprising over it, but the populace is tired, it has been worn down by 8+ years of gaslighting and misinformation. Every outrage is replaced by something more outrageous. And those who claim to be 'neutral' just keep repeating the mantra 'nothing to see here, move along'
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Have you ever bothered to consider exactly how much inflammatory rhetoric and extremist narrative framing you use?
 
jimbob said:
The second paragraph. Even when what the law enforcement is clearly acting illegally? We have all had chances to watch the multiple videos where there is no question.
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The FIRST paragraph:
Emily's Cat said:
In the same way that not everything police do is legal, sure. But the majority of what they're currently doing is legal, and it's their job. Of course we should take steps to address the illegal things and prevent them from happening, but we should still recognize that the overwhelming majority of it is the exact same thing they've done under different administrations.

I get civil disobedience. But I end up stuck when the disobedience is taking the form of actively obstructing law enforcement. If this were police doing their job to apprehend a suspect in a criminal investigation, I can't imagine so many people would be sanguine about organized groups of people assisting the criminals in evading the cops. And that's what's happening here - it's not just people protesting ICE, it's people actively and intentionally helping illegal immigrants evade ICE. And that's before you add in the vandalism, harassment, and intent to doxx agents and their families.
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