Merged So there was melted steel

[ergo]

Steel machines are structures made of steel , pound for pound a lot stronger than buildings too (as an assembly).

Yes.... and what are you saying about steel machinery? That you have seen it "crushed" into liquid-like piles?

To get a sharp bend in metal it has to be formed, IE bent around something sharp.

Really? You just "push" the steel around something sharp and it bends?

And to get a smooth bend? What do you do?

You get tears from work wear. As in when you bend it too fast the steel heats internally and becomes brittle in that spot. That's what causes steel springs to fail and break (as a familiar example).

I didn't say anything about tears, I asked about fractures.

When you crush steel, generally it looks like the pics you posted.

So you should have no problem showing us how common this is in structural steel.

 

[ergo]

Simply, once it's crushed it can't absorb energy and it won't help halt a collapse.

So you're saying this is just a buckled column.

 

[DGM]

And to get a smooth bend? What do you do?

What type of steel?

Tip: You shouldn't show pictures that have fracturing and claim there is none.

Your hole is getting deeper.

 

[Justin39640]

Yes.... and what are you saying about steel machinery? That you have seen it "crushed" into liquid-like piles?

Yes, I've seen the reults of accidents that have crushed steel machines and whatever they hit. Racking folds up exactly like that. There is nothing "liquid like" in those pics.

Really? You just "push" the steel around something sharp and it bends?

And to get a smooth bend? What do you do?

I was talking about forming. When you don't have a form, it folds haphazardly and looks like the examples you posted.

I didn't say anything about tears, I asked about fractures.

"A schooner is a sailboat..." [/Mallrats]

So you should have no problem showing us how common this is in structural steel.

See the link to google images I posted above.

 

[Justin39640]

So you're saying this is just a buckled column.

It's crushed so yes it buckled many many many times.

 

[ergo]

Yes, I've seen the reults of accidents that have crushed steel machines and whatever they hit. Racking folds up exactly like that. There is nothing "liquid like" in those pics"

Your claim that you've seen something isn't very convincing to me. Can you show some evidence?

I was talking about forming. When you don't have a form, it folds haphazardly and looks like the examples you posted.

How do you form steel?

See the link to google images I posted above.

Can you point me to the pics of structural steel? Thanks.

 

[Sunstealer]

Do you have some evidence that crushed steel forms liquid-like piles rather than sharp bends or fractures? You must, since you seem so sure of yourself.

Steel is a ductile material even at room temperature. What you view as melted, i.e. in a previous liquid state that has re-solidified into a bent shape or has experienced severe heat and bent is actually what us metallurgists expect to happen to steel under high loads at low temperatures below 100°C.

Your problem is you simply have no understanding of steel and how it behaves.

There are no pictures of steel in a liquid state. There are no pictures of re-solidified steel (steel that's melted and then solidified). If you say there are then kindly provide them. A picture of firefighters using a lamp is not a picture of liquid steel.

Once more people will readily describe a solid as molten which according to your common definition of liquid is impossible.

You yourself make this mistake when you use the phrase "molten beam". A molten beam is impossible. Here's an experiment you can try using a very common liquid called water. I want you to make a liquid beam out of water and photograph it then post the photo on JREF. I then want you to place a solid object on that liquid molten water beam so the beam is under load. Post that photo too. Describe what happens.

It is extremely common for people to describe something as molten when what they are looking at is solid material. Look at this picture below. Is this steel liquid, solid, molten (liquid) or molten (glowing brilliant solid)?

 

[ergo]

It's crushed so yes it buckled many many many times.

Saved for posterity.

 

[ergo]

Sunstealer, we've already discussed the definition of molten.

I'm sorry you don't get it. You don't have a point.

 

[DGM]

So you're saying this is just a buckled column.

Are you claiming the piece in this post is NOT fractured?

 

[GlennB]

Given that ergo is taking reports of liquid/once-liquid steel as gospel truth, then he has created as unassailable position from his pov and can troll mercilessly. Good luck to you all.

 

[Dcdrac]

Sunstealer seems to have described molten very well ergo and you seem to have missed it.

 

[The Platypus]

Do you have some evidence that crushed steel forms liquid-like piles rather than sharp bends or fractures? You must, since you seem so sure of yourself.

Your pics do not show liquid like piles...

 

[DGM]

Given that ergo is taking reports of liquid/once-liquid steel as gospel truth, then he has created as unassailable position from his pov and can troll mercilessly. Good luck to you all.

" Molten" is another state of matter, not unlike "Rubble".

(new physics)

 

[ergo]

Sunstealer said this, dcdrac:

Steel is a ductile material even at room temperature.

Assuming he's talking about structural steel -- because that's what we're talking about here -- he is saying that structural steel is ductile at room temperature. Do you find that a credible claim?

 

[Justin39640]

Sunstealer, we've already discussed the definition of molten.

I'm sorry you don't get it. You don't have a point.

His point is you don't have a clue as to what you are looking at.

 

[Justin39640]

Sunstealer said this, dcdrac:



Assuming he's talking about structural steel -- because that's what we're talking about here -- he is saying that structural steel is ductile at room temperature. Do you find that a credible claim?

lol I think you have some confusion over the term "structural".

ETA: I'd love for you to explain how you're supposed to tell molten structural steel from molten computer cases. lol

 

[DGM]

Sunstealer said this, dcdrac:



Assuming he's talking about structural steel -- because that's what we're talking about here -- he is saying that structural steel is ductile at room temperature. Do you find that a credible claim?

You don't?

 

[Dcdrac]

I find his descriptions of how steel behaves a lot more credible than some fantasy about people spotting molten steal at the site of an appalling and confirmed terrorist action, and you have not proved nor explained the relevance of this to the events that happened that day.

 

[ergo]

" Molten" is another state of matter, not unlike "Rubble".

You forgot "buckled". Don't forget "buckled".